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Walk us through that. >> well, my point was, to michael, was the point was, when i was thinking about donald trump and the first time i saw him actually in the political arena was in 2011 at scpac. something about him. he walked into the small conference, a star. obamaesque for republicans. the issue whether or not he would be a good president, whether or not he was cerebral, compared to obama, editor of law review? issue whether he was esoteric? no. what he had, something like "it." like arie gould from the hbo "entourage" show talking about vinnie chase about. he was a star. a special commod...

I see first hand, folks, texas has become a very red state. you see policies that go get the economic interests of folks and they keep voting in the same people. i don't think it's the pure economic interest that drives all voters. so they may not like exactly how it affects their pocketbook but they like how he speaks to them and the emotional connection that he forms with them. they may not get angry from his policies. >> they think there's an authenticity here. >> it's not necessarily good to get angry. what i'm saying they're the ones who are going to suffer the most. >> let me have you ju...

It is a rorshach test. mitch mcconnell, i'm not saying anything bad. he is so tight. is he the american dream mitch mcconnell? i don't think so. we'll be back with our panel to talk about the right, paul ryan and michele bachmann.