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neighborhoods, the smartest people who work for you in your staff, they all live in the same neighborhood. whether they re black or white or asian. there s this book written, there s a test if you are part of the new elite. the new elite are corporate executives, really quality lawyers, doctors and because it s now at the point where it is merit-based, whether you re part of the elite, we ve kind of forgotten about ordinary americans out there. and so, it s like, it drove my boys crazy. it had them take the test in the book and it said, have you ever been on a factory floor? were you raised in a neighborhood where over 60% of the people didn t go to college? if you get a chance to go to starbucks or mcdonald s for coffee, where do you go? do you know anybody who has whole milk if their refrigerator? because everybody else has skim milk? elitist. so part of it is that it s
understandable, the good news is, it s based on merit advancement in many cases now, but the bad news is that these folks who were the people who are not the salt of the earth, they re the stuff that makes everything grow. and they re capable of so much more. that s why i think our focus on free college education, our focus on making sure that there s child care and get women back in the job market. our fox on things that are just basically simple fairness. minimum wage. i mean, people want to know that we really do my dad used to have an expression, chris. he said, i don t expect the government to solve my problem, but i expect them to understand it. let me ask you about the things that mr. trump, who you want to beat up, because you do, i know you do, you said so. mr. trump comes out there and doesn t annknow anything about politics or have any ideology,
but he jumped on these issues. illegal immigration, trade relations, which have cost the manufacturing base in this country, and wars which have cost the lives and the arms and legs of their kids. because it s not the elite we re talking about that are fighting these wars. it s those people we re talking about from pennsylvania, western pennsylvania. so he comes on and grabs these three issues? why were they available to him? why weren t the democrats figuring out these things? they re open to him. well, by the way, they were available to us. that s why barack and i ended these two wars. we re still engaged, but we re not talking about spending $10 billion a month. we re talking we re not talking about 200,000 people, 170,000 people in a war zone. they were available to us. and we were talking about making sure that we take all the actions in the world trade organization. we brought more actions against unfair trade practice than any administration has. and a lot of people like my son went to war, and came back war heros. and what we did is, that s why
we focus so much on military families. and so, but, look, when people have been really everybody liked beau. well thank you. that s nice of you to say. it s true. i do. but, anyway, trump comes along, for example, you never heard me criticize the tea party. and the reason i didn t is because a lot of people are scared, beat up, and what happens, they lost a lot, and what happened during the bush administration and the great recession, and they re angry. and so there s two ways to deal with it. and people go out and you find a scapegoat. and it had to be because of the government. i remember we were running in 2008 a woman standing on a chair at a corner with about 100 other people saying, don t take my medicare. isn t that funny? they think government isn t the people who created medicare?
so i think when you re appealing to people s fears and anxieties, you can make some gains. but the end of the day, i think you re going to find, i ll make you a bet, that in the state of pennsylvania, a significant number of those non-college-educated white women and men vote democrat before this is over. the reason i m involved in this, what you were talking about, i was reading the washington post, everything you ve i ve been thinking, bobby kennedy when he died, his train s coming down through jersey to pennsylvania and washington. and you see white guys. a white guy with a dirty face, saluting. that s right! we ve lost that gut connection, i think, with the working people out there. we have black support, the democrats do, the liberals do. but this is gone. this salute to the democratic party. how do you get that back? you can do it, i think. because you have to talk to them. you have to engage with them.
you have to go and let them know that you understand their act anxieties. look, when barack the president picked me up coming from philadelphia in 2009 to go down to be sworn in, thousands of people were along the track in delaware. there were those white guys in hard hats, saluting. and because i ve always i get it. but i think we got to the point where a lot of local democrats took it for granted. and look, the other part of this is, you know, i may be mistaken, but i think after sam nunn left, i m the last guy in the senate that got a majority white male vote in their state. but again, a small enough state write paid attention. and by the way, i get overwhelming support in the african-american commity. i ve seen it. overwhelmingly. let me ask you about the downside of trump, the danger
side. it looks like he s losing, you know more than i know, but if he loses, election night is sort of predictable, say he carries ohio, maybe. maybe it s close in florida, but he loses. pretty clearly secretary clinton wince with a pretty strong electoral victory. it s obvious she won. and he says nothing or he says, they screwed me, they rigged this thing from the beginning. what will be the danger and how would you as an elected official be able to deal with that? how are you going to bring back the public with his 38 or 40%? well i think that you ll only have let s say if he gets, god willing, 38 to 40% of the vote. i think at least two-thirds of that vote knows it s not rigged. you re going to have people, though. you always have them. whether they whatever their background, who are going to believe it s rigged. i saw an interview on, i think, on msnbc this morning, before i took office. good habit. well, yeah. but i saw a guy standing there
and he had all these trump signs and they said, are you going to vote? they said, how are you going to argue it s rigged? he said, it s a rigged system. i m not going to vote. it s rigged. look, we ve always had that element in every election. the difference is, we ve never had the head of a great party saying that it is rigged. but i really don t now, what would be a problem is if, in fact, is if you have a gore, you know, bush election, god forbid, and he says it s rigged if he were on the short end. i don t often agree with charles krauthammer, but he wrote a hell of an article about how fragile democracy is and you can t play with it. that should be disqualifying in and of itself, what he s saying. you got elected at an incredibly young age, and you know what lick life is. no one s had your run, if you put it lightly.
people are still extremely generous. they are fair, and you know, i think people can tell, you know, not about me, but i think people can tell whether when someone says something, whether they mean it. yeah. i think they can taste it. they trust you. your numbers have gone up since you haven t run for president. oh, it s amazing. by t way, you guys never gave me credit. they were up before i ran for president. but you re booming now. is that a lesson there? don t run for president? if i had known that, i would have announced every two years i wasn t running. okay. let me ask you about the world series. sure. now, you re a phillies fan, so does that make you a national league fan? a cubby fan? no, i m a phillies fan because they re in philly and i want to sleep with my wife. she s from willow grove. we know this. she hails from willow grove. oh, god, is she a philly fan, any sport. i know you re not supposed to say who. i m an american league fan. really? how d that start? the yankees?
scranton and the yankees. everybody in scranton is either there s not many phillies fan in i know about that. that s how i was raised. my grand pop was a great athlete, went to santa clarita, played football and i was raised on the yankees. despite the nomination of the national league growing up, all those years. despite. despite it. despite san francisco and l.a.? i m so old, i remember bob feller. early win! i remember that, four straight. the best the indians had the best winning record with 114 games. and they lost four straight, to the giants. leo deroacher and those guys. remember deroacher s comment? he said, better to have lady luck on your bench than skill. my grandfather you d to say, it s better to have both. let s think about that tonight, mr. vice president. thank you for your time. and we ll be right back. you mart sav.
still here in pittsburgh. coming up, reaction to my interview with vice president joe biden as he and the president look to help hillary clinton into the white house and perhaps protect their own legacy. plus, donald trump says the polls that continue to show him trailing, in some cases trailing badly, are phony. that s his word, yet he s touting endorsements that he claims he has, but he s never gotten. they don t exist. and a new prediction from the cook political report. it says democrats could pick up between five and seven seats on election day in the u.s. senate and win control of the senate. it s all coming up this hour, when hardball comes back.
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welcome back to hardball. that was, of course, vice president joe biden sliming actually, slamming well, perhaps sliming as well, donald trump s self-described locker room talk in miss interview with hip today. well, moments ago at a rally in florida, trump responded to the vice president s words. did you say where biden wants to take me to the back of the barn? me. he wants to i would love that. i would love that! mr. tough guy. you know, he s mr. tough guy. you know what he s mr. tough guy, when he s standing behind a microphone by himself. that s what he s he wants to bring me to the back of the barn. oh. some things in life, you could really love doing. our nation has lost and by the way, if i said said that, they d say, he s violent, how could ef-done that! well, in our conversation, vice president biden spoke about how democrats and some
republicans to a lesser extent have lost touch with the white working class of this country. here it is. we don t associate with their difficulty anymore. and it s almost like, like somehow, they re in good shape, but they re not. they re not. the fact of the matter is, those people we re talking about built this country. they built it. and they are smarter than we give them credit for. there s almost like what s happened in both parties, is there s sort of a yielding to pedigree. yeah. you know, the guy who goes to penn state, university of delaware and the guy who goes to yale or penn. the guy at yale or penn must know more. joining me right now for their reaction individually is robert costa, national political reporter at the washington post and howard fineman, global editorial director of huffington post and an msnbc political analyst and katie packer is a republican strategist, formerly with the romney campaign. i ll leave the pugilistics aside
for a second here. robert costa, i ve never heard biden lay this out so clearly. the fact that we have this meritocracy gone bankrupt, where only the people at the very top academically are given any consideration by the democrats in terms of policy. he speaks with personal experience, it seems, for a guy who went to university of delaware for example, about this almost british-style system, if you didn t go to oxford or cambridge, don t talk, we re not listening. it s a fascinating interview, especially at this political moment as democrats look at the map and they wonder, in places where trump has been popular in the industrial midwest, can they make some gains? can they connect with these aggrieved voters who look at globalization and are unanticipate, are frustrated with the economy. and biden made the point that is not just about policy and ideology. it s about the vernacular. it s about making a visceral connection with these voters that have been left behind. we ll track david patrick moynihan, one of our heros, when he talked about this loss of support among the white working
class, starting way back when bobby kennedy was killed. it s been gradual, but persistent. they re turning away from the democratic party, which they view as culturally elitist. your thoughts? first of all, chris, don t leave pittsburgh without having a cut of minhio s pizza in squirrel hill. that s my number one thing to you i went to pizzi rola in mark square no really bond with the working class this pittsburgh, you ve got to do that. two days before the pittsburgh in cleveland, i spent time going to the counties around the city of cleveland, talking to those very white, working class voters we re discussing. they feel screwed. it s not about the language. you know, it s not about learning how to talk to them. as joe biden said, these people are not dumb. they re feeling screwed. and they re feeling screwed by trade policy, which, by the way, wasn t just a matter of the bush administration did, that s what the clinton administration did. they re upset about immigration.
and illegal or undocumented immigration, which they feel is taking their jobs. they re concerned about big money in washington and the fact that their voice is not heard. they re concerned about terrorism. they feel that they are part of another country and it s not theirs. and i think a lot of that has to do with policy. joe biden hit some of it, but he by no means hit all of it. and i think to and i felt back then that trump was going to win ohio and i think he is going to win ohio, because of the decimation of industrial ohio. that s real and that s happening. well, you put your name on that one. i think ohio is the one that i m watching, is a statement. even if trump gets blasted away other places, that is one hell of a statement for him to carry a significant state. katie, your thoughts about this? we re talking about the cultural and economic disconnect between democratic leaders a to the highest level and voters who have turned away from the democratic party, starting well a couple of decades ago.
they have started moving away. i think there s been a real cultural shift, where there s a sense that there s kind of this elitism, within the democratic party. but when it comes to trump, it s very easy to speak to the anger and frustration of these people that have lost jobs, that have seen their communities collapse, because businesses have left. when you don t have a plan that s accountable to anybody. it s very easy to say, we re going to fix all of this, we re going to fix immigration by building a wall, we re going to have good trade deals. but to not have any coherent plan that anybody s able to challenge you on well, who s got one? yeah, katie, who s got a coherent plan? if trump doesn t have one, name the other people who do? what are democrats saying to people in ohio? what are they saying to bobby casey s people in pennsylvania? they may not like those individuals, but they don t like the national democratic tea party quite as much. right. can i also say, chris, in talking to those people there and in other states, i think they know that donald trump doesn t have a plan. and they re almost looking to
trump as a kind of bell to ring in the night. it s a protest vote. and frankly, on trade, hillary doesn t have anything much to say. she says she wants to well, the only thing i would challenge on that is, they may not think he has a plan, but they have bought into this idea that he s been very successful. he s got a big plane, he s got all these companies with his name on them. so he s succeeded at things. so they are putting a fair amount of trust in him to deliver on some thing. let me go back to robert on this. robert, there s a reason this is a good, important topic to get to. there s economic disconnect with the establishment. the only way you can explain people voting for donald trump is not his personal behavior, not his lifestyle, not that he s been caught up in this audio with access hollywood that certainly has hurt him. it s despite that. they re not voting for him because of his misbehavior, they re voting for him despite his misbehavior. therefore we ve got to get, if you care for politics in this country and democracy, you ve got to figure out what is it
that may cause40% of the people in this country to vote for somebody, who many believe is disqualified personally by his personal reasons. i think we re all hurting the country if we don t learn a lesson. why would you vote for trump? it s not trump himself. something else is moving this. for many of these voters, chris, he s disruption. they re not voting for trump. they re not even entranced that much by his biography. he s disruption to the institutions with, the media, government, corporate america, institutions that they believe have failed them. and that the problem for both parties right now is that this dynamic is likely to continue, past november 8th. the democrats who went for senator sanders in the primary, who are unhappy with trade and immigration and the economy, they continue to be there. the trump voters continue to be there, even if trump goes back to mar-a-lago. and just to show how dangerous this is in terms of protests, back in 1992, not a million years ago, when bill clinton was elected, 19% of this country voted for ross perot, who was certifiable.
19% voted for a guy who was uneven in his thinking. let s put it that way. now, 38% are going to vote for trump, probably, at least. so double we have doubled the number of the protest vote in this country against the establishment. that s what s going on. howard, last thought? i was just going to say, if you can get somebody who comes from that part of the country, who is a regular guy, the way joe biden is a regular guy, and get them to use social media to raise the money to run, and not be a billionaire ross perot, not a billionaire donald trump, that s the thing to look for the next go-around in presidential politics. let s stick with that thought. pardon me. what, katie? maybe ben sasse. okay, that s your guy from the state of nebraska. we ll be right back with robert costa, howard fineman, and an early pusher for ben sasse. and our night of vice presidential discussions continues tonight. by the way, 9:00 tonight eastern, join rachel maddow as she interviews tim kaine, who s running for vp and could well be
the winner already, head there had, already. and at 11:00 eastern, brian williams sits down with mike pence, his opponent. is so we re bound to get their next vice president and we re covering all the bases tonight vp wise. when we come back, why is donald trump talking about polls he calls phony, and at the same time, he s talking up endorsements. but actually he doesn t have those endorsements he says he has. this is hardball, the place for politics.
welcome back to hardball. after meeting with law enforcement and first responders in st. augustine, florida, yesterday, donald trump tweeted that he d received the endorsement of the st. john s county sheriff s office. but as it turns out, the sheriff s office did not endorse trump, as he had claimed, clarifying on twitter, quote, comments have been made that sjso has endorsed a candidate for president. the sheriff s office has not made any official endorsement, closed quote. trump later spoke about it in a tv endorsement and boasted that he had received the endorsement of every police department and a conceptual endorsement from the u.s. military. here he is. when we say first responder, we re talking about sheriffs and talking about all the people having to do with the sheriff s department, but we re also talking about the paramedics who are so important and the firefighters. and we had a fantastic meeting with some of the folks pretty large group of folks. and they ve endorsed me. endorsed me, fully. i ve been endorsed by virtually every police department and police group and i ve been endorsed largely, conceptually,
at least, by the military. but as nbc news fact checkers point out, none of that is true. the department of defense has its own set of guidelines that tightly restricts any active duty military or civilian personnel from publicly choosing political sides. trump does have the endorsement of some retired are military figures as well as some unions who are engaged with law enforcement. we re back with robert costa, howard fineman, and katie packer. katie, as dezi arnes used to say to lucy, explain. what s the point? the only explanation that i can come up with is that every military guy he talks to endorses him. but i m get geuessing the peopl that don t like him don t come and talk to donald trump. it s delusional behavior. is that the delusion that allows him to believe that every
time he goes to a rally and there s 10,000 people there that he s carried the state? there s no excuse for it. it s not based on evidence or actual endorsements, but it s certainly reflective of donald trump s personality, a marketer, a real estate developer. he s he has a tendency to brag. howard? well that s well said. chris, i just want you to know, i have so many conceptual pulitzer prizes. that i m going to give one to robert, so well, give them all away. you can have them all. you deserve them this year. this conceptual. anyway, in a photo op with his staff at the doral hotel down in florida, today, said that all his employees have a problem with their health care because of the affordable care act, because of obama. let s listen. so we re going to repeal and replace obamacare. and i can say all of my employees are having a tremendous problem with obamacare. you folks, this is another group. is that a correct statement? i mean, you look at what they re going through, what they re
going through with their health care is horrible, because of obamacare. now back to planet earth. but later, trump told reporters that it s his company, not obamacare, that provides coverage to most of his staffers. the general manager further clarified that 95% of trump s employees at the hotel are not on the obamacare exchanges. so how do we explain that, howard, that he s blaming obamacare for not being involved with obamacare? well, he doesn t care. he s not disciplined enough or able to focus enough on the most elemental details to be able to do the slam dunk on obamacare. here the headlines are, rates increase by 25%. a lot of people think that obamacare is imploding, all right? that there s a legitimate argument about that. instead of making the clean kill on that, to mix my metaphors, donald trump doesn t even bother getting the facts straight about his own businesses. i mean, it s sloppy and almost
disqualifying in and of itself. it s like, he knows he s not he seems to know he s not going to win. he s kind of mailing it in here, going around the couple the last couple of weeks. it s even worse, even sloppier than usual. the great radical activist, tom haden, just died the other day and he once accused in a primary campaign i m sure you know about this, he accused his opponent the democratic senator of dating teenagers. and when he said, give us one example, he said, i can t, but it s metaphorical. he s metaphorically dated teenagers. that s like conceptual. what s that mean? metaphorically dating teenagers when you re in your 40s? your thoughts? i ll leave that one on the shelf. but i think what we re seeing from donald trump is a candidate who has delved into a conspiracy in the past. he has dealt in falsehoods and exaggerations. and right now, most republicans in the senate and house races, they re seizing on the affordable care act issue, trying to say, this is something they can run on, in spite of all
the thunderstorms around trump. trump himself, is taking on the issue, but isn t making a large coherent case against it. well said. thank you, katie packer for joining us. please come back again, howard fineman, as always, and robert costa. up next, democrats are getting more confident they ll not only win the white house come next month, but take control of the united states as well. that will be a big double win. up next, you re watching hardball, the place for politics. when you relose to the people you love, es psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching ment? ifou have morate tsevere psoriasis,ou can embrave, the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you chance at completely clearkin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant provement of their psoriasis plaques. in fact, 4 out o10 even achieved completely clear skin. not use if you are allergic to ltz. before starting you should be checked for tuberculosis.
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democrats are poised to make gains. they classify illinois and wisconsin as states already leaning democrat. meanwhile, they call florida, indiana, missouri, new hampshire, north carolina, and pennsylvania toss-ups. let s bring in the hardball roundtable, jennifer duffy, michael steel is msnbc political analyst, former chair of the republican national committee, and david corn is an msnbc political analyst and washington bureau chief. i want to start with jennifer, because you ve generated these numbers. and i have a sense in your headline, poised to take, how confident are you that they will win a net four, the democrats, to take control of the senate if hillary wins? at this point, i m very confident. we re already giving them two. illinois and whisk, which means that out of that toss-up column, they need to win two more. i mean, that s pretty achievable. but when we look at the numbers, when we look at states where trump s numbers have dropped, we ve seen republicans numbers dip not nearly as much, but we ve seen them dip as well, it s not hard to see how they
get five, six, seven seats. on an issue, how biden started tonight, i was kidding around with him with the boxing gloves, because of that thing he says, and he said it very passionate, lewant he wants to fistfight with trump, and trump racketed to it, over the issue what trump was recorded of saying, is this one of those outside variables that jumps into a campaign and jolts it in one direction? absolutely. republicans were really holding their own before that. they were running their campaign pretty separately from trump. they weren t really tied to him in any way. we saw very little evidence of what is being called the trump drag. now, it didn t happen overnight, but since the tape emerged, we ve seen those numbers go down, we ve seen the generic ballot tests, would you rather have a republican or a democrat in congress? we ve seen that number slip some for republicans. so, i really consider the tape a turning point. let me go back to david corn.
aside from philosophy, left versus right, ideological warfare, is this one of those weird things i m convinced that it s become something that the average voter, who may not be that philosophically directed left or right says, wait a minute, is that somebody running for president talking like that? your thoughts. well, i think it was a very decisive moment. and it came at probably the worst time in the election cycle, the election campaign cycle, just as we were getting towards the final debates and when people are really focusing and trying to make a decision if they haven t made a decision. so i think it really clarified the type of choice that voters face, and the type of man and person that donald trump is, and that was so negative. it does reflect on the whole republican party, and it put people like kelly ayotte, who s up for re-election in new hampshire, who s a vulnerable republican, really in a terrible position, and you see her state on that map there, because, you know, she can t run from trump at that point, although she s trying. but it s a little bit too late.
you know, michael, it looks like he was trying to i m looking at it a million times like everybody else, that tape, it looked like he was trying to impress belilly bush. that s looked what it was trying to do. i think that s what it s two guys talking, jock crap. and that s what but he wanted to impress how tough he was. come on, michael. no, he s admitting doing something. he s not just bragging about ocourse! making that point, that s how he tried to impress him. look, we re just talking about two guys in a trailer talking crap. talking trash with each other. and so, yeah, that was a defining moment in a very real way, because we got exposed to it. we heard it. and i think for a lot of women out there especially, that was kind of the final connection that they needed to break off, you know, the relationship, if you will, with the republicans and in particular, this nominee. okay, jennifer, what did woman hear? i think if they listen to it
four or five times, which was easy to do, it s been on a million times, they heard not just trash talk or locker room. they heard a guy describing physically what he s done to women, with total strangers. well, exactly. it went from trash talk and trying to talk a big game about, you know, about his prowess with women, to actually describing it. and i think that is what turned a lot of women off. i know that we were talking about senator kelly ayotte. i think that that was her breaking point. she d been frustrated with him, you know, the party was asking her to stick with him and she just said, enough is enough. you know, i have a daughter. i don t want anybody talking about my kid like that. but she did not do that at that point. but she had just called him a day or two before a role model, despite all the other misogyny that he s demonstrated and exhibited. i mean, i know that was the final straw, but there had been a, you know, a hay wagon full of straw up until then. yeah wing most men, when they talk among each other after a
few beers or ten beers, it s more in wonder at women, jennifer. it s actually honesty, magically amazed by who they are and who they can be to them. it s just astounding. i ve never heard this kind of talk. well, if they talk like that. i think i think not to be too romantic, they think about what they love. the roundtable is staying with me and up next, these three will tell me something they love. i think we re doing that right now. this is hardball, the place for politics. listen to me i am captain
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new poll numbers in some key battleground states, for that, we check the hard bard scoreboard. starting in arizona, scoreboard. a new monmouth poll shows trump is holding a lead over hillary clinton. the real clear politics average has clinton in 3-d by about a point. that s very close. next to north carolina where a new poll from the new york times and sienna college has clinton out, this is big time, to a seven-point lead. clinton 46, trump 39. last month that poll was tied. and he needs north carolina. in minnesota clinton leads by 8 points. clinton 47, trump 39. i can t believe north carolina and minnesota are the same. who would have believed it? rs cmersho have been impacd will be fully refunded. cond, we ll proaivelsend you a coirmation for any ird,for our retail bankers. t card salegoals open.
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so this tells you a significant pool of republicans that the internal fight is just warming up post trump could run next time as well. what do you think, when he loses this time, he runs next time? that would be good for everybody. let s go to jennifer. i m going to stick in the senate. in russ feingold of wisconsin is successful on november 8th and he s favored to be, he will be the first senator since 1934 to avenge his own loss. wow. wow. that s interesting. the count of monte cristo. here he comes. i spoke to a top republican strategist here in d.c. just a couple days ago. he says reporters always come to him before elections and say, tell me about the republican civil war that s going to come after the election and he always says, no, no no, we re going to be fine.
time he says they re right, i m wrong. it s going to be bloody. something to cover next year. jennifer duffy, michael steele, david corn. when i return my election diary for tonight with two weeks to go before the election.
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my sit squlodown with joe biden pittsburgh tells me that at least one democrat understands the trump phenomenon. while others look down their noses, the longtime senator from delaware gets it. he sees their failure to connect with the voters. they ve driven the majority of white noncollege educated pennsylvania vote toers line up with the new york billionaire which is what we re seeing in polling right now. he s winning among those people, trump is. biden talked about what he calls the pedigree problem. anyone at the top views anyone as not an ivy leaguer as below consideration. how the party has forgotten about ordinary americans out there how those people are smarter than they re given credit for. he s got something here. 90% of white noncollege graduates voted for bill clinton in 2012 that sunk down to 29%. one person who saw this loss of the white working class voters early on was former united states senator moynihan of new
york who wrote in 1968 right after bobby kennedy was killed n a word the people of south boston should be on our minds as those of roxbury or bedford stiv es ant. they ve been abandoned. four years later moynihan talked about catholic voters. he said the white working class should be a base on which to build not to abandon. even in the high office of vice president, joe biden born in scranton hasn t either. as my old boss tip o neill used to say, he hasn t forgotten where he came from. he knows and shares the sentiments of those ordinary people who feel they ve been abandoned by the democratic party they themselves built. and that s hardball for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in nobody should want to wake up on november 9th and wonder whether there was more you could have done. two weeks out, hillary rallies and trump keys off.

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i had them take the test in the book and it said, have you ever been on a factory floor? were you raised in a neighborhood where over 60% of the people didn t go to college? if you get a chance to go to starbucks or mcdonald s for coffee, where do you go? do you know anybody who has whole milk in their refrigerator? because everybody else has skim milk? elitist. so part of it is that it s understandable, the good news is, it s based on merit advancement in many cases now, but the bad news is that these folks who were the people who are not the salt of the earth, they re the stuff that makes everything grow. and they re capable of so much more. that s why i think our focus on free college education, our focus on making sure that there s child care and get women back in the job market. our fox on things that are just basically simple fairness. minimum wage. i mean, people want to know that we really do my dad used to
have an expression, chris. he said, i don t expect the government to solve my problem, but i expect them to understand it. let me ask you about the things that mr. trump, who you want to beat up, because you do, i know you do, you said so. mr. trump comes out there and doesn t know anything about politics or have any ideology, but he jumped on these issues. illegal immigration, trade relations, which have cost the manufacturing base in this country, and wars which have cost the lives and the arms and legs of their kids. because it s not the elite we re talking about that are fighting these wars. it s those people we re talking about from pennsylvania, western pennsylvania. so he comes on and grabs these three issues. why were they available to him? well, by the way, they were available to us. that s why barack and i ended these two wars. we re still engaged, but we re not talking about spending $10 billion a month. we re not talking about 200,000
people, 170,000 people in a war zone. they were available to us. and we were talking about making sure that we take all the actions in the world trade organization. we brought more actions against unfair trade practice than any administration has. and a lot of people like my son went to war, and came back war heros. and what we did is, that s why we focus so much on military families. and so, but, look, when people have been really everybody liked beau. well thank you. that s nice of you to say. it s true. i do. but, anyway, trump comes along, for example, you never heard me criticize the tea party. and the reason i didn t is because a lot of people are scared, beat up, and what happens, they lost a lot, and what happened during the bush administration and the great recession, and they re angry. and so there s two ways to deal with it. and people go out and you find a
scapegoat. and it had to be because of the government. i remember we were running in 2008 a woman standing on a chair at a corner with about 100 other people saying, don t take my medicare. government out of my life. isn t that funny? they think government isn t the people who created medicare? so i think when you re appealing to people s fears and anxieties, you can make some gains. but the end of the day, i think you re going to find, i ll make you a bet, that in the state of pennsylvania, a significant number of those non-college-educated white women and men vote democrat before this is over. the reason i m involved in this, what you were talking about, i was reading the washington post, everything i ve been thinking, bobby kennedy when he died, his train s coming down through jersey to pennsylvania and washgton. and you see white guys. a white guy with a dirty face,
saluting. that s right! we ve lost that gut connection, i think, with the working people out there. we have black support, the democrats do, the liberals do. but this is gone. this salute to the democratic party. how do you get that back? you can do it, i think. because you have to talk to them. you have to engage with them. you have to go and let them know that you understand their act anxieties. look, when barack the president picked me up coming from philadelphia in 2009 to go down to be sworn in, thousands of people were along the track in delaware. there were those white guys in hard hats, saluting. and because i ve always i get it. but i think we got to the point where a lot of local democrats took it for granted. and look, the other part of this is, you know, i may be mistaken,
but i think after sam nunn left, i m the last guy in the senate that got a majority white male vote in their state. but again, a small enough state where i paid attention. and by the way, i get overwhelming support in the african-american community. i ve seen it. overwhelmingly. let me ask you about the downside of trump, the danger side. it looks like he s losing, you know more than i know, but if he loses, election night is sort of predictable, say he carries ohio, maybe. maybe it s close in florida, but he loses. pretty clearly secretary clinton wins with a pretty strong electoral victory. it s obvious she won. and he says nothing or he says, they screwed me, they rigged this thing from the beginning. what will be the danger and how would you as an elected official be able to deal with that? how are you going to bring back the public with his 38 or 40%? well i think that you ll only have let s say if he gets, god willing, 38 to 40% of the vote. i think at least two-thirds of that vote knows it s not rigged.
you re going to have people, though. you always have them. whether they whatever their background, who are going to believe it s rigged. i saw an interview on, i think, on msnbc this morning, before i took office. good habit. well, yeah. but i saw a guy standing there and he had all these trump signs and they said, are you going to vote? he said, no, i m not going to vote. they said, how are you going to argue it s rigged? he said, it s a rigged system. i m not going to vote. it s rigged. look, we ve always had that element in every election. the difference is, we ve never had the head of a great party saying that it is rigged. but i really don t now, what would be a problem is if, in fact, is if you have a gore, you know, bush election, god forbid, and he says it s rigged if he were on the short end. i don t often agree with charles krauthammer, but he wrote a hell of an article about how fragile
democracy is and you can t play with it. that should be disqualifying in and of itself, what he s saying. you got elected at an incredibly young age, and you know what public life is like. no one s had your run, if you put it lightly. it s been an amazing run. what is it about public life? what i m stunned by, young men and young women aren t running for office like they used to. there s a very short list for people running. in the old days, you know, astronauts would run, everybody would run. now people say, i m not going to put up with that crap, it s too much for me. i don t want the personal inspection. what can you say that s fulfilling about your life? it s been so many years where you ve actually dealt with real peoples problems? the most vulnerable time in a public official s life is when the public only s a snapshot of you.
now, you re a phillies fan, so does that make you a national league fan? a cubby fan? no, i m a phillies fan because they re in philly and i want to sleep with my wife. she s from willow grove. we know this. she hails from willow grove. oh, god, is she a philly fan, any sport. i know you re not supposed to say who. i m an american league fan. really? how d that start? the yankees? scranton and the yankees. everybody in scranton is either there s not many phillies fan in i know about that. that s how i was raised. my grand pop was a great athlete, went to santa clara, played football and i was raised on the yankees. despite the nomination of the national league growing up, all those years. despite. despite it. despite san francisco and l.a.? i m so old, i remember bob feller. early win! i remember that, four straight. the best the indians had the best winning record with 114 games. and they lost four straight, to the giants. leo deroacher and those guys.
remember deroacher s comment? he said, better to have lady luck on your bench than skill. my grandfather used to say, it s better to have both. thank you for your time. and we ll be right back.
that s close. a new poll from the new york times and cnn college has clinton out. this is big time to 7 point lead. clinton, 46. trump, 39. last month that was tied and he needs north carolina. m minnesota clinton leads by 8 points and new star tribune poll clinton leads 47 to trump s 39. i can t believe they are the same. who would have believed it. we ll be right back. [ keyboard typing ]
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one person who saw this loss of the white working class voters early on was former united states senator moynihan of new york who wrote in 1968 right after bobby kennedy was killed n a word the people of south boston should be on our minds as those of roxbury or bedford stiv es ant. they ve been abandoned. four years later moynihan talked about catholic voters. he said the white working class should be a base on which to build not to abandon. even in the high office of vice president, joe biden born in scranton hasn t either. as my old boss tip o neill used to say, he hasn t forgotten where he came from. he knows and shares the sentiments of those ordinary people who feel they ve been abandoned by the democratic party they themselves built. and that s hardball for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts

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