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Could he stage an attack? >> well, if he were going to go to kyiv, he would need -- if he wanted to go to kyiv and hold and control kyiv, he would need far more forces than he has deployed right now. he does not have the fire -- he can do a lot of damage. but he is not going to cut off ukraine. he's not going to go to kyiv and try to control kyiv at this point. he would rubble it. he would ruin it. he doesn't want to control it. he wants to convince them that the path forward is through moscow. it would take a large force, an incredibly large force. and this would turn into a nasty fight, as i...

>> this is what happens. i want to look at this wider map of the area. we don't know what putin is going to do. but what is the next level of aggression if he decides to take a much larger piece of ukraine, possibly even kyiv or -- how could he stage an attack? >> well, if he were going to go to kyiv, he would need -- if he wanted to go to kyiv and hold and control kyiv, he would need far more forces than he has deployed right now. he does not have the fire -- he can do a lot of damage. but he is not going to cut off ukraine. he's not going to go to kyiv and try to control kyiv at this point. ...

>> let me be true, we do know that each of these areas have about three or four different units, and i would suspect that our intelligence people have identified those commanders for each of those subordinate units. and i think that's an important question to ask. because we seem to focus all of our concern at putin and the war crimes that he is committing. but, look, putin is just telling the generals what to do. go take ukraine. how they do it, the tactics they use, the brutality that we're seeing, those are the decisions of the generals. they're the ones that are saying use rockets, artille...