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Blame game. 25, 24. within the margin of error. so what about that? >> here's what i would say to that. imagine we're back in 2010 and you asked a tea party candidate for the house. what would you think about going to washington and paying 800,000 federal workers not to work? they say that's exactly what we're running to avoid. and yet either single one of them -- >> no, those are nonessential employees, why the heck do we even employ nonessential employees? >> voted today to pay for those people not to work. that's a debate you need to have with them. my point is if there's any question about...

This is congressman randy neugebauer, republican from texas. he says he's going to keep the government shut down for, quote, as long as it takes. but when it comes to the world war ii memorial, which is part of this as long as it takes shutdown, randy neugebauer decided to make a public show of berating a park services employee who has absolutely nothing to do with closing the government. >> how do you look at them and say, how do you deny them access? i don't get that. >> it's difficult. >> well, it should be difficult. >> it is difficult. i'm sorry, sir. >> park services should be ashamed of...

This is happening across the country and republicans are deluding themselves if they think these piecemeal pieces are going to mean anything. >> if we agree that a delay in the mandate just not going to happen, what's the out here? >> i think that's a question that you have to ask the bulk of boehner's caucus. they have to decide on what the actual victory is. but i do think that they're going to insist on a victory. it depends on the size and the nature of that, that they are going to insist on a policy victory, which is why i think you'll see a continued can kick and see continued holding to...

The mandate just not going to happen, what's the out here? >> i think that's a question that you have to ask the bulk of boehner's caucus. they have to decide on what the actual victory is. but i do think that they're going to insist on a victory. it depends on the size and the nature of that, that they are going to insist on a policy victory, which is why i think you'll see a continued can kick and see continued holding to this. >> but why is it -- we did this thing last night about -- well, we did a thing last night about the ryan budget and how close the current sequestration levels are to ...

He says he's going to keep the government shut down for, quote, as long as it takes. but when it comes to the world war ii memorial, which is part of this as long as it takes shutdown, randy neugebauer decided to make a public show of berating a park services employee who has absolutely nothing to do with closing the government. >> how do you look at them and say, how do you deny them access? i don't get that. >> it's difficult. >> well, it should be difficult. >> it is difficult. i'm sorry, sir. >> park services should be ashamed of themselves. >> i'm not ashamed. >> you should. >> -- people ...