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Not always like this. for much of his nearly two decades in congress, he was just a normal republican representative american conservative district, conservative politics, did the normal dance of governance. worked his way up to -- back then, nunes seemed less interested in the theatrically politics. he once referred to the tea party government shutdown over bomb we care, where ted cruz pushed them to do that as lemmings with suicide vests. most revealing though, listen to this, is a quote, a 2015 interview with journalist ryan lizzo. who nunes would later sue over -- i used to spend 90% of my...

Most revealing, though, listen to this is a quote, a 2015 interview with journalist ryan lizzo who nunes would later sue over different reporting. listen to what he had to say, quote. i used to spend 90% of my constituent response time on people who would call or send an email or letter and said i really like this bill and they believed in it because they heard about it through one of the groups they belonged to and it was based on lgsz. chemtrails are airplanes poisoning me and that has essentially flipped on its head. it's dramatically changed politics and politicians and what they're doing....

Striking thing after a striking week here, is john kelly, the president wanted to appear with him to show that he is up in his view -- rudy giuliani of course long-term-time friend of the president is down in his views. we know things go up and down all of the time here. but as the president flies back to the white house from dallas, we'll see if he has more to say once he gets back here. jake. >> jeff zeleny at the white house. and let's bring in the panel, ryan lizzo let me start with you. do you have any idea what the actual facts are about -- let's stick with the stormy daniels' hush pay...

I think that there is no -- there is no strategy. but what he's trying to do is just survive every day. and however he thinks works for him, he will do that. and unfortunately, you tell a lie and then you have to keep up with your lies which they can't do and so they continue to lie. it probably worked wle was a b. list celebrity -- >> a minus or b plus -- >> and woe tash did he and he w talk to gossip ragz but now he is the commander-in-chief and trusting him to protect the country and to tell the truth cl is like the basic things i believe for a president -- >> there is a tipping point we've...

I stabbed him, and it hit the belt! and they said, you didn't do it! if they said i didn't do it, i'd be so happy. this is the only election in history where you're better off if you stabbed somebody. what are we coming to? >> all right, joining us in "the situation room," our cnn political commentators, s.e. cupp and ryan lizzo along with senior political reporter nia-malika henderson. nia, the donald trump attacks on dr. ben carson. we know what donald trump did, he effectively -- he hurt jeb bush early on when he was going after him with his low energy and all of that. can he do the same th...