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Him personally? we will, we have legal issues i m not expert on. it is stated policy that we are not targeting an individual but we can target the pillars of his power and those are what i have described and it what i would endorse. if i could just say, i support what nato did. i thought that was a good use of the mandate. this is the way to end this. thousands of people are subject to die the long they are takes. no one in the world is going to regret qaddafi being replaced, however, you do it. i want to thank nato for expanding the scope of these operations and i wish we would have acted earlier but we are now on the right track of supporting the rebels and going after the inner circle. everything around him needs to be subject to attack. chris: let s go to the budget, senator conrad, you are part of the so-called gang of six, bipartisan group, three republicans, three democrats in the senate trying to work out a compromise on the budget. there was a lot of speculation that you ....
Consider means testing. which the way, the premium support has been supported by democrats. president clinton s commission in the 1990s supported a version of it. it is not out of the ballpark to take a look at it. chris: at the latest fox news poll on proposals to cut the deficit reforming did i medicare to a voucher system. increasing taxes on those making $200,000 or more. 63% support and 36% oppose. bill kristol, are democrats who seem to think that the republicans have handed them a big weapon here, are they right or are they mistaken in thinking that the medicare overhaul gives them something to win back seniors and score points? they are mistaken. the ryan plan doesn t touch any one 55 and over. if the fox poll asked that, the question that way made clear that the if you are 5 a 5 and a over you you get the current ....
I m not going to vote for any long-term extension of the debt unless there is a credible and serious plan to deal with the debt. chris: is a cap a serious plan? i don t know. i have not seen the details of it. i don t know how it works or if it would work. what i have to see is a comprehensive plan. i want to see the revenue system reformed. fundamental tax reform. i want toe see the spending side of the equation dealt with. look, we are right now we have the revenue of the united states is the lowest it has been in 60 years as a share of our economy. spending is the highest it has been in 60 years as a share of the economy. so we have got problems on both sides of the equation and they need to be addressed. senator graham? the way to fix the money problem coming to washington is to create more jobs in the private sector. if you raise taxes now to try to solve our budget problems you going to destroy job be creation. the reason we have such low revenue coming in is because the ....
Believe to be compete failure over time. if you can get a better way to do it, do it. but just criticizing someone trying to fix the problem doesn t impress me. you got a better alternative, put it on the floor and let s vote on it. chris: i want to talk about the most immediate problem which is the debt limit and you have to deal with and both of you say that letting the country go into default would be draconian, that is the last one would be catastrophic but both also say that you will not vote to raise the debt limit unless there is a plan to deal with and cut the deficit. let me talk about the alternatives. would you support, senator conrad, an automatic cap on the deficit which is what not spending but on the deficit which is what senate majority leader harry reid is talking about. would you support a cap on spending which means that you are not talking about tax increases you are talking about spending cuts or do you need to see actual cuts to vote for an invest in the debt ....
Courageous. i do think mr. ryan is sincere. i think he is a patriot. i think he wants to solve a real problem, which is our long term deficit. but i think that what he and the other republicans in the house of representatives also want to do is change our social compact in a pretty fundamental way. you know, saying he s a patriot, willie, that s better than saying his plan is un-american. he got some of those polls, saw the independents sliding away and came out a couple days ago saying reach out and touch somebody s hand. radical. now, he s saying radical. it reminds me so much, jeffrey sachs, of what bill clinton did in 95, when we tried to save med medicare, the trustee said it was going bankrupt. it s a radical plan and they want to cut taxes on the rich and throw old people out in the streets. barack obama can say what he wants but he s tearing a page ....