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Like, it's one of my time, i will waltz on in there. how much resistance, as you know, as tepid as it may be? >> it's difficult to know because he's given the appearance of resistance but he also could say at any point, he really could say, i will not fight this legally because all my lawyers tell me that i have one of the best executive privilege experts in the country, and this is unwinnable. i am compelled to give my testimony. >> and so, s. e., what do you think the reaction is in trump world today? they were hoping that this aid would not come. it's been two years, has not come. they coul...

Tricked them into doing what he wanted them to do, right, which is basically commit to go saying that they won't attack social security and medicaid, it showed a mental fitness, it showed a willingness to go off script, there are a lot of folks that think joe biden is scripted, controlled by other people and he showed a real command. i think that is really going to make the difference. as much as any of the other broad and, you know, really ambitious policy proposals that he presented. >> s.e. cupp, you have the polls about the upcoming election. we did just have an election, though, we had a ...

Promise that. i wonder, s.e. cupp, you are conservative, you and i and us together have watched a lot of state of the union speeches, good moments and bad. that was a bad moment. it was -- it was just ugly, right? and, again, as jessica said, some of this is just the nature of the way our political discourse is today, but a lot of shouting going at a sitting president that even the republican speaker was uncomfortable with. was it a good political look for republicans? >> i think it was inside their base, right? i mean, i think this republican party, especially under trump, really conditioned ...

So, do voters want to hear about his many accomplishments or will they be focused on how he looks and sounds? back with me john berman, s.e. cupp, and kierna mayo. john, what's the answer to that? >> i think it's both. i think that it's no secret that joe biden is not a young man at this point. i think that's big into the cake, i think americans have come to accept that they have a much older president of the united states. but every time he does a big public thing like this, i think people are watching. by, large every time he's been doing something like this, where they're prompting a telepr...

Of them in the past few months, and they -- >> but they don't care about your feelings, alison. and it really is. i get that because we hear the stories but just because we're hearing them doesn't mean that it doesn't make it all that popular. in fact, it's a very safe time to fly. i talk to pilots, i talk to aviation experts. this is really hard for planes to crash these days. so take a little solace. take a little solace. >> that's a hard sell to a nervous flier. i'm very much. so very much. so >> you have to do it. we live in a world, we have to get around. but these things do not endear an...