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But they tried to hack into actual election systems at a local level. how big of a deal is that? >> yeah. well and again, you're not seeing the raw intelligence here first of all. i think that's the key point to make. and also this -- >> what does that mean? >> you're not seeing the details. not watching them do the math. there were reports last fall during the campaign that russia was -- you're getting away from the propaganda side and more on to the technical side that russia had started to look into these areas. the thing you're talking about, this vendor in particular, this florida-based v...

From what the trump brand used to do. >> i want to share more of what eric trump had to say about this. >> we don't talk about the activities of the business, what we're doing in the business. we just don't mix the separation -- >> showing profit reports doesn't blur the lines? >> doesn't blur the lines. >> the president of the united states has zero conflicts of interest. zero. >> they're not going to share profits because the numbers are too complicated but they're sharing the spirit and idea. >> they're basically spray painting the brand over all the hotels. of course the president will vis...

Steve, at some point, when they say there is no conflicts of interest, they sort of say it with a smirky smile. at some point, when is there an issue? just yesterday it was reported that, in the trump hotels, saudi lobbyists have spent 250 grand. the trump organization is saying we're going to donate it to the justice department. caveat, after the fact. when does this become an actual problem? >> i think politically speaking, the concept, politically of original sin. go back to the campaign, the issue of taxes,s precedent that was set over the last generation or so of american politics since t...

>> this has been the central tension this administration, it was the central tsion of donald trump's campaign, can he take direction from the career professionals around him. can he take direction, you know, when lawyers step in in a situation like this and say this is different than, you know, being sort of in politic on a matter of policy can he take that direction. that's going to be something that's interesting to say. one of the things i keep thinking of with the comey thing, how comey handled himself last summer when it was sort of -- fell to him to make the decisi decision whether to ch...

>> it's the greatest hoax of all time. i was there throughout the campaign. we have no dealings in russia. we have to projects in russia. we have nothing to do with russia. >> i mean to me, it's without a question, you know, reads and smells like a witchhunt. >> from who guys who previously said they do do business with russia. >> this makes no sense. if they were honest about this and said look, this is about approachment we want a better relationship with russia all of this would end. the reason it feels like a witch hunt because you keep boiling the water in the middle of the room and fly a...