She'd never pardon the president. but it's almost like, all right, now she knows she's going to make every presidential candidate answer that. >> is anyone surprised? >> and probably it's driving donald trump crazy. >> right, but at the same time, there's like no democrat that can make the intellectual argument to say, look, can we wait and see? you can't wait and see, can you? >> well, i think it's a pretty safe call that none of those democrats would be pardoning donald trump. >> i don't think anyone was holding their breath for a president warren pardon of -- >> people don't want to move on...