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>> president biden speaking there in scotland yesterday, says he is confident senator joe manchin will vote in favor of the build back better act, despite the senator's call to slow down the passage of the agenda. joining us, co-founder of punchbowl news, anna palmer, a contributor and friend of the show. thank you for being here. one of manchin's objections in the news conference this week that angered a lot of fellow democrats was he said there were, quote, budget gimmicks. what are his main concerns? >> i think this is going to be a concern you'll hear a lot from moderates. it is why they'r...

End of the month? october 30th is what president joe biden laid out. as everyone has said here, there's so many things in flux. how to pay for it, what gets cut, how do you keep people happy enough they choose to vote for it? and what about those moderates. we talk so much about the progressives, but there are going to be a lot of moderates concerned about what's happening with the salt caps and other proposals that could also be a real sticking point here. >> kristen welker, how important then is joe biden being the one who holds this group together? he's someone who ran as a moderate. i thin...

Playing ball. or centrists saying this will not fly in my district. it's not like joe biden has all democrats on the same page. >> he doesn't. but to be point, the centrists trying to get this s.a.l.t. cap solved are wimps. they're not making any significant theft. until they make a significant threat, like don't come to me to ask me to vote for the bill unless you repeal the s.a.l.t. caps, they're going to get nowhere. that's just how legislating works. it's not pretty. it's not fair all the time. but if you look -- i'm holding them out as an example but the freedom caucus in the trump era sa...