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It does not give them -- and the fact that pelosi and schiff have kept it away from a normal structure of an impeachment inquiry and they're calling all the shots, the republicans are at a big disadvantage in dealing with exactly the kind of information joe talked about. >> now i'm all the more curious to see what comes out and what we can learn out of this hours' long meeting. thank you so much. really appreciate it. coming up for us, a former u.s. ambassador will be join meg on the extraordinary developments of the morning. the president asking ukraine and china to investigate joe biden, o...

Rudy giuliani, who at the president's behest was involved here. and that volker was right in the center of that. >> there's one more fees, tpiec which is pompeo piece. and to volker's point is he in the middle. people who are squeezed in the middle are often looking to their superiors on how to handle something, so that will be an important part of this as. >> if you're in the white house, joe, right now you know volker's testifying, what are the conversations behind closed doors about what is going to be coming out? >> well, one of the interesting things about volker is he is going to give a ...