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obligation to account fully for my role in these events. did by obligation, you mean simply your legal obligation? or did you mean something bigger? well, both my legal obligation and my moral obligation. your moral obligation? i actually want to present an alternative theory. your family came here escaping the holocaust via uruguay. and your parents moved lucy and later you here where, frankly, you ve been an american success story. through dent of hard work and innovation, good idea, and knack to hire the right people and some luck, you ve built a considerable successful business. one that i know for a fact would make your parents proud. they came here because they knew that it was here that they could have freedom that they had not enjoyed, security that they had not enjoyed, and opportunity that they had not enjoyed. and no doubt, on some level, you re grateful and it s created a sense of patriotism in you. is that fair to say? very fair. why then, sir, with your c ....
they were not going to issue that statement that rudy giuliani wanted to include burisma and the 2016 elections there was no white house meeting. it soon became clear to them that the security assistance was also at risk and that took on a renewed importance for them. well, following the 25th call, the july 25th call, ambassador sondland and volker worked closely with mr. giuliani and the ukrainians to help draft a statement that the president could make, president zelensky. wasn t that right? yes. and the report say they were closely and then also there were phone calls with the white house around the same time they were working closely do you know what that statement was supposed to say, according to mr. giuliani and the u.s. officials. the key difference is that it had to include that ukraine would do the investigations of burisma which equaled the biden investigation and the 2016 ukraine interference. was there concern about doing the investigations or what? ju ....
president zelensky decided that they were not going to issue thatt statement that rudy giuliani wanted to include burisma in the 2016 elections, there was no white house meeting. it soon became clear to them that the security assistance was also at risk. and that took on a renewed importance for them. well, following the 25th call, the t july 25th call, ambassador sondland and volker worked closely with mr. giuliani and the ukrainians to help draft a statement that the president could make, president zelensky. wasn t that right? yes. and the report said they worked closely and there were also phone calls with the white house around the same time that they werear working closely. do you know what that statement was supposed tou say according to mr. giuliani and the u.s. officials? well, the key difference is that it had to include that ukraine would do the investigations of burisma which equalled theic biden investigatn in the 2016 ukraine interference. but was there ....
were not going to issue that statement that rudy giuliani wanted to include burisma in the 2016 elections, there was no white house meeting. soon became clear to them that the security assistance was also at risk and that took on a renewed importance for them. following the july 25th call, it had to include that they would do the investigations of burisma which equaled the biden investigation into the ukraine interference. was their concern about doing the investigations or what? where they supposed to make a statement about it? ambassador sondland very clearly testified that all he ever heard mr. giuliani or anyone say is that they only needed the public announcement of the investigation. without that public statement that there would be no white house meeting. yes. i was struck by how clear the evidence seems to be on this point and i d like to play another example. was they were a quid pro quo? as i testified previously with regard to the requested white hou ....
[silence]. now, turning attention to the ron johnson letter, if i may. yes. on august 31st, senator johnson is getting ready to travel to the ukraine in september with murphy. johnson called the president and sought permission to be the bearer of good news. right. the president said i am not ready to lift the aid. senator johnson, he writes a 10 page letter. very detailed. he gives some remarkable details. i would like to read it. it s on page 6. this is senator johnson speak. i asked him whether there was some kind of arrangement or ukraine would take action and be lifted. without hesitation president trump denied such an arrangement existed. and he started cursing. he said no way. president trump said no way. i would never do that. who told you that? and senator johnson goes on to say that president trump s reaction was adamant, ve hement and angry. and as august 31st, the president said you will like my decision in the end. that s very important context on the ....