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Out. but at present, the secret service vehemently denying that any of this was malicious and basically chaulking it up to happe happenstance. >> whitney wild, that's very much for the reporting. former federal prosecute and cnn legal analyst elliott williams joins us. elliott, you walked alongside some top secret service officials. i wonder what your analysis is of the reporting whitney just gave us and what questions it leaves you with. >> so to echo that, poppy, secret service agents and senior officials i worked with at dhs were wonderful law enforcement officials, dedicated to the country...

Of evidence that the president knew what he was doing. the breaking the law part, i think yes, personally. but, again, i like to leave that to doj. ironically, doj was on the stand today. they probably have a special interest in what happened at this moment. you mentioned the voting machines. think about this. the president asked rosen to seize voting machines. he said, i can't do it. so, the president calls cuccinelli at dhs and says, rosen here says you can seize voting machines. he never said that. that goes to show, you can't trust anything the president says. thankfully ken kuch nellie sa...

Destroy america's energy independence. exactly right. and yet, kellyanne, as we talk about there are young texasex national guard soldiers trying to do a job, one of which isd jumped in the river to save a migrant and is missing at i this moment. and wet, pray for him and his family but likely won't end well.. there are human consequences to this . there are indeed.rd and in fact, just yesterday i was speaking to former members of the border m patrol,d four members of t dhs and they all say the same thing that unlike never before as sarah said, we've got bordern patrol agents doing doing paper...

Former vp mike pence has been on the committee's radar for months because he was in the room for key moments after trump's loss and on january 6th he was with the vice president. cnn senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid joins us from washington. paula, first, what do we know about this second draft executive order aimed at seizing voting machines? >> we've formerly reported on an executive order tasking the pentagon with seizing voting machines. we know from our reporting lawmakers have been asking witnesses about that document. now multiple sources tell our colleague zack cohen and i...

Times this is not legal. bill barr, the attorney general, tells him doj can't seize these machines. he's told by ken cuccinelli at dhs they can't seize it. even giuliani says he can't do it. when something is beyond the pale for giuliani, i think that you've really hit rock bottom in terms of legality. >> so if trump were directing giuliani, for example, to reach out to dhs as "the new york times" is reporting happened, is that a crime? >> ana, i think that this sort of highlights where there may be limits to criminal law. you know, there may be a conspiracy to interfere in the election. i mea...