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Lose. i don't think that he will lose south carolina, i think that he will win south carolina. >> possibly that he will win bigger than we think? >> programerhaps. exactly. hillary clinton won resoundedly in south kcarolina over bernie sanders. because we had lost new hampshire, barely won nevada. and so that momentum carried us into super tuesday. and you look at the fact that you won't have i think a clear frontrunner out of the first four states. you go into super tuesday, michael bloomberg is spending so much money, how are those d dynamics going to contrast. >> it will be a huge test for ...

Doing pretty well with latino voters. we haven't mentioned the mayor. he has a good presence in new hampshire, a really good presence in iowa, we know that he has money. i'm getting he has a decent presence, but he hasn't -- his name hasn't rolled off your lips yet. >> are you talking about bernie sanders? >> really? is mayor buttigieg not making an impression in nevada? >> actually, i think that those are the two mounderrated candidates, both the mayor and bernie sanders. let's me talk about the mayor first. he has not done well in the polls here. we had a poll done about a month ago and it s...

Iowa. and we'll get the impeachment trial out of the way and get there. let's get to the panel. eugene, you know, every four year, people try to say maybe iowa won't matter as of this time. and yet here we are again. the person that wins this first, whether it is biden or buttigieg, it will matter. >> absolutely. and for a few reasons. midwestern voters matter and they really matter when you have candidates competing for the white house whose brand is -- i'm a midwestern and that is what america needs, someone who is mild mannered, who is a unifier and can pay attention to people who aren't li...

Iowa. we've seen them barn storm the hawkeye state. >> that lhello eyiowa? >> hello iowa! >> hello iowa! >> after the iowa caucuses of course comes the new hampshire primary and then the 1/2 1nevad caucus cuss and then the four fights in february and all four could fooit decide tdecide the primary. d democrats say buttigieg could win iowa, warren wins new hampshire, and then there is this guy michael bloomberg, he is all in on the super tuesday strategy. so he isn't factoring into this just yet. so this contest could be a wild one in february and beyond,

So they might be looking at a moderate democrat, whether biden, klobuchar or pete buttigieg. >> and that brings me to the other unique test that new hampshire brings and why it is such -- when you put it in as one of the first four hurdles that you have to clear, it is a good one and that is winning over independents. winning over the undeclared voters and possibly even republicans who decide to vote in the democratic primary. have you seen much evidence of them actively trying to appeal to that voter? door contacts or maybe looking for republicans for buttigieg or things like that? >> i haven...