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Section that's a later focus on in terms of this broader question here. let me ask you this, "the washington post" is quoting tonight that as part of a plan to pressure him to get more information on joe biden. what do you think about that? >> that's absolutely ridiculous. this is such a hoax and it's been perpetrated by the media -- >> martha: why was he told not to go to that inauguration then? >> there were several scheduling conflicts and we said somebody there. let's not forget, while rick perry went to that event on behalf of the united states, we also gave ukraine aid, which is somethin...

A contrary could be this speaks to the strength of her campaign that she went to this event knowing that she would have to do this. she could've had a scheduling conflict, one of those scheduling conflicts, like a dentist appointment you can't change. >> jesse: i think it was a white watch. -- whitewash. the moderator endorsed her, on the eve of the event, she scrubbed the video where she released her and dna results from her campaign website. she has terrible political instincts and she's a phony. what she did to native americans was some people say it's worse than what prompted to minorities...

And they're not being promoted as much. so obviously they're not going to generate as much revenue, except that they are in the united states. >> except that they are in the united states. but it's more than money. can you explain that in terms of travel and how they're playing and how they're being treated? >> yeah. so i'll give you two really good examples about how this kind of comes back to bite the women. yesterday, obviously, the woman's world cup was around 11:00 a.m. eastern time. fifa also scheduled two other championship matches for the same day, including the gold cup final was at 9...

He's not asking for something unlawful or unethical or illegal. so you want to try to support that. but you also want to, you know, if you can, maintain the proper sort of distance. i'm not suggesting they are sending substitutes because they don't want to go. i'm told they do have scheduling conflicts. but he is putting them in a difficult spots. he wants each to approach and stand with him as they fly over, again, wrapping it around them like it is his military. it's not. it's the american people's. >> there is this lack of leadership. it habs topsy toughery since james mattis resigned in pr...

District of new york, that i'm not sure of. but the fact that mueller did not go down that road leads me to think that this might sort of blow over. >> neil, let's stick with mueller for one second. we were talking about the fact that there was a possibility that mueller was going to testify on the 23rd, which is thursday, i believe. doesn't seem that's going to happen as of now. so what information if any do you have as to when we could feasibly see robert mueller testifying? >> there seems to be no new estimate as to when that testimony might happen. it's hard to get a straight answer, to be...