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But you see that republicans are not lining up. joe manchin, kyrsten sinema, and other democrats, by the way, are not lining up to change the filibuster. so, i would have to say that it -- it -- it doesn't look great to do this right now. >> so, ben, let me ask you from the other side. so we talk about the issue within the party, okay? and i know you disagree there. but um, let me ask about the issue of the absences, right? even among the activists who are so ardently behind this. right? you would think that would have been at least uniform but it was not. cliff albright told cnn we don't need...

Bizarre, david. walk us through the significance of that exchange on the world stage and whether it in your view adds or subtracts to the credibility of the idea that there is something putin has on trump. >> well, nothing putin says can be taken at face value, right? he says he knows about making up dossiers. he also knows a lot about collecting kompromat. that's material on people. in the book we did michael isikoff we get into putin's history of doing that. he says i didn't even know he was in moscow. that's ridiculous. we report on those days trump was in moscow. trump was in contact with ...

That he could go into this bedroom where no one was allowed to be admitted, and grab these pills and take them down and not tell his doctor. we certainly also know, thomas, that they're going to call randy phillips, from aeg, the promoters of the concert tour. and aeg certainly knows, because of their scheduling difficulties, that michael jackson was in tough shape physically. >> right. >> so you know he had to sleep. >> so rickie, the defense played 15 witnesses. if they can show jackson himself triggered this overdose, does that get murray off the took? >> no, but it looks like they would wa...