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He's happy with it, gets the tv time, and part of the strategy. that's what he wants. >> he'll pay the price at the ballot box next year. >> i get a feeling we'll see puerto rico's and mitch mcconnell's overly flattering words used -- >> absolutely. that montage at the white house today with all ofs smiling faces and the back slapping, the hand holding over taxes, yeah. that's good commercial. that's going to play into a broader narrative about the party and its lack of interest to the typical american voter, but to your point, ruth, about those folks who are on s.n.a.p. and c.h.i.p. programs,...

Passed along to the consumers, and not only that but the tobacco companies are also -- the ones who are supporting our schip programs as well. so, at this point they are paying for it as a result. so, until, you know -- >> trillions of people are not dying as a result. >> exactly. the point is that is a confluence of public pressure, public health campaigns, regulation and all sort of state regulation. mark, i want to sort of give you the last word on this issue about regulation. >> you did. >> you'll have to write another column and we'll have you back on the show. this is what you do for a l...

Bill -- we assume that's the basic bill. there's so many things that help in reducing costs, our ability to purchase pharmaceuticals in bulk. medicare part d claw back. increased money for chip programs. so many things help us, the enhanced map in the budget that in ten years, pennsylvania gains money. we don't lose money because of healthcare legislation, we gain money. i dare say if governor otter sat down and went through the bill at length -- >> neil: do you buy anything when someone tells you ten years out? >> sure. because i can read the bill. and i've -- >> neil: but this bill and the p...