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Context. he was never for -- >> which part taken out of context? >> the states right. he's never been for states right. when he re-authorizized the voiting oigts acts it gave them the power to sue states and school districts. >> but he opposed federal -- you said he wasn't for states rights but he was opposed to federal imposition of busing by the department of education. and he said last night to kamala harris you would have been able to go to the school the same exact way because it was a local decision made by your city council. how is that not local or state rights? >> if you let me finish...

Are nostalgic. >> josh, you don't think this is as devastating but you also don't think joe biden's in a good place. >> is it as much of a cataclysmic disaster as some of the other campaigns are saying right now? no, i think this is better it happened early. he's got to get better on this question of race, in particular on busing. it's just not a winner. he got it wrong. it's okay okay to say he's wrong. but he took his lumps, hung in there. quite frankly there's still a lot of black folks in south carolina, iowa, a couple of black folks in new hampshire and so forth that still really like joe...

Agreed no one thought donald trump won. >> and she won the popular vote by 3 million people. i feel like we have to acknowledge that. >> he does have to win votes, and even debate aside, if he's going to get to the point you said which is, hey, i'm the one who can win on the job training doesn't he have to dispense with this by explaining himself because he's not explaining himself. >> his position on busing is a nonstarter. and that's okay. >> explain why. if you were the faith and race advisor to president obama, if you were his advisor on faith and race, explain what you would say -- >> i w...

Been able to go to school the same exact way because it was a local decision made by your city council. that's fine. that's one of the things argued for, we should be breaking down these lines. >> vice president biden do you agree today -- do you agree today that you were wrong to oppose busing in america? do you agree? >> i do not oppose busing in america. what i opposed is busing ordered by the department of education. >> reporter: that moment shining new light on a long ago chapter of biden's life. from his earliest years in the senate when he strongly opposed mandatory school busing design...

Policies really created a lot of these inequalities we see today. >> his defense of his stance from the 1970s was that he wasn't against busing, he was against federally mandated busing. he wanted it to be locally controlled what some people are calling a states rights argument. why should that resonate today? >> i think anybody who knows our painful history knows that on voting rights, on civil rights, on the protections from hate crimes, african-americans in this country and many other groups have had to turn to the federal government to intervene because there were states that were violatin...