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Higher. >> and back in 2017, it was then barack obama who made an appearance at the fest and thereafter other democrats have followed suit. is it a big problem if you are a presidential candidate and you're not there? >> i do think it's a bit of a problem for democrats. as jess said, african-americans, particularly african-american women, have an outsized voice in the democratic primary. it's essential that candidates get in front of this type of audience. just as important as being there is the message they're going to present or project. i think democrats are making a mistake if they're goin...

It will not be easy. let's be clear. this is not 2016. this is 2020. and people are woke. >> rebecca buck is live in that forum. this will be first time that biden and harris will be at the same vent since that contentious debate exchange. do we know if they'll at all come face-to-face? >> well, brook, we're not expecting that as of now. joe biden will be speaking near the top of the program here today. camilla harris speaking last in the program. so there will be some separation between them. but there is no question that their back and forth over school bussing is top of mind, sort of the ba...

Some are considering going back to the area. former vice president joe biden trying to move on. biden was asked about school bussing again on the campaign trail in iowa. the question coming one day after democratic rival kamala harris said local school districts should be able to decide the issue for themselves. that's the same argument biden made when senator harris attacked him last week. >> she's absolutely right. >> do you think if there is a difference between what she was saying to you last week versus today? >> look, she's a good person. she is smart as can be and she feels strongly. ...

Order from the president. that would be challenged in a court. there's an addendum or supplement and officials are considering going back to the supreme court with a motion to reconsider. former vice president joe biden trying to move on. biden was asked about school bussing again on the campaign trail in iowa. the question coming one day after democratic rival kamala harris said local school districts should be able to decide for themselves on the issue. that was effectively the same argument biden made when senator harris attacked him last week. >> she's absolutely right? >> do you think t...

And one things that going to be really note worthy to watch is how are these voters responding to that debate interaction that he had last week on the issue of school bussing? is this something resonating with them. when i was asking about biden's work with segregation of senators in the past, a lot of people said, hey, we get that. he had to work with these people to get things done. so it's going to be interesting to see whether the school bu bussing issues resonate. >> i want to ask about health care, matt. biden says he has a plan that is rational that, will cost a hell of a hot less than ...