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All i can say is that that's different legally and factually than the morrison situation where you had a statute. let's talk a little bit about the law regarding the president. clinton v. jones tells us -- see if i'm correct. that you can be president of the united states. you can still be sued for conduct before you're a president and when you invoke executive privilege the court has said, no, wait a minute. you have to show up at a deposition before it happened before you were president. is that correct? >> civil suit is the clinton versus jones case of allegations or a suit that involved ac...

Regulations, all i can say is that's different, legally and factually than the no, smorriso situation where you had a statute. let's talk about the law regarding the president. clinton v jones tells us that you can be president of the united states, you can still be sued for conduct before you're president and when you invoke executive privilege, the court said wait, you have show up at a deposition because it happened before you were president, is that correct? >> in the civil case of clinton versus jones or suit involved activity before clinton became president. >> it's pretty well understoo...

Michael cohen's not about collusion. michael cohen's not about the russians. this is, again, about a campaign finance law that he admitted to breaking, that he's convicted of breaking here. on just this matter, we're not going to hear anything from robert mueller. >> there's a difference between being in violation of a campaign finance law which in many cases is settled on a civil side. you can have violations of a campaign finance law and in fact i think there were some by mr. obama -- >> but those were civil. this is criminal. this is a criminal violation. >> no, wait. we don't know whether ...

Mueller and to other things, is that this now is actually all playing into donald trump's hands, because people aren't able to process all of these things. we also have the attorney general of new york come out with an indictment against donald trump's charity. >> how many, it's hard to count, how many criminal charges could the irs bring against donald trump because of those -- >> that is -- it should be noted that this wasn't criminal. this is on the civil side. and there are tons of issues on the taxes. because he used some of those foundation expenses to cover businesses, i wonder if that ...

Whether or not the nra took money from the russians or russian nationals. >> is the fact, though, that if the reports are true that the special counsel is now at least asking about michael cohen -- and we know michael cohen's name was on that subpoena list given to sam nunberg that went so very public yesterday. but given the special counsel is now asking questions about him, are you encouraged that some of your concerns are being addressed? >> certainly bob mueller works on the criminal side. we work on the civil side. it's our job to tell the american people what happened. with respect to mr...