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That. But lets get to the real Heart Of The Matter you are connected to the president because youre on his evangelical council. The fact is many of those countries like haiti are in the worst situations because of governments that are not taking care of their own people. We are talking about people leaving their own country and Coming To America when in reality President Trump clearly ran on a make America Great again policy, which is why he won. Americans want people, if they do come to america, to offer something that will be better for america, not just simply send people who because of the...

Decisions. he should be able to live the rest of his life in the united states without this constant threat hanging over him. >> we know there is a history, it's happened before, scooter lib by who worked for dig cheney, they were angry, they were angry about the fact there was no uranium in iraq and they ousted valerie plain, they did that on purpose to punish the husband. so we know there has been a po litization and she was vocal that could put people's lives in danger. in that case it was a lie from the bush administration about war. in this case it's donald trump's legitimacy that's in qu...

And it was true in the traditional pardon process, it would be too early. most people don't use preemptive pardons, also the supreme court has upheld them. it's not too soon if this jury goes in a certain direction. do you think that paul manafort's defense reflects some hail mary hope for a pardon? >> absolutely. first of all, donald trump has signalled in multiple ways that he would very seriously consider pardoning paul manafort, one, by some of the other people he has pardoned, dnesh, joe arpaio. >> scooter lib by. >> he's got a trail of pardons that can only indicated to anyone who may fa...

We know he pardoned scooter lib by who faced similar charges in terms of obstruction of justice. what do you think the chances are here the president will pardon cohen? >> i think it just depends on what happens. it would be a real strike against justice if he did without a reasonable basis. usually when you get a pardon, you've atoned for your crimes, it's been several years. but this would basically stir up a firestorm on capitol hill because a lot of republicans would say what is the judicial reason to actually do that? i also think it's an interesting case that cohen is in this turmoil in ...

The valerie plame trial, i would put steve bannon in the karl rove unindicted coconspirator role. karl rove didn't go to jail. scooter lib by did. bannon has been hedging his bets this entire time, knowing this information. the question is, when he goes in before the house intelligence committee, will he view the house republicans as providing him ample cover for him to not say anything? or as you said, will he burn donald trump to the ground? i don't believe that he'll burn trump to the ground. i think he'll try to sort of finesse the answers. i think jared kushner -- i don't think he'll spar...