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Party, or is she just being led by the hard left wing of her party, and will the rest of the democrats follow her? so, no, this is just the next step in the negotiation. we thought it was the exact right thing for the president to do at the time. and i think, ultimately, he'll be judged by the end, by what happens at the end of this process, not by what happened this week. john: there is some money in the continuing resolution for border security, but that's to upgrade existing fencing. that's not for construction of new mileage of border wall, which is what you want. if we could stipulate tha...

If we'll do our job, he won't even have to consider going there three weeks from now because we'll have reached the right -- >> the only way we could ever stop, i've thought everything about how you stop this from happening, a shutdown. the one thing we could do to help the american society, the american economy and the american people is to make sure if a shutdown ever occurs by our own making, our pay stops immediately the day it's shut down. trust me, there will not be a shutdown. everything else we can talk about all the policies. you stop the paycheck the same as everyone else -- the only...

Deal, and you tell me everything you know about president trump. >> roger stone is in this position because of the actions of roger stone, and i don't think people are going to be shedding a lot of crocodile tears -- john: but he's in a perfect position for mueller to squeeze him. >> he is, that's true. and what this also tells us is that mueller isn't done yet. he's still out there searching for scalps, and this is something, this is going to be a cloud over the administration for the foreseeable future. and that is the long-term consequences of this. these may be small fry figures, but it's ...

Engel of new york said last week. >> today nato plays a critical role in keeping an increasingly aggressive russia in check. and that's one of the reasons splintering the nato alliance is one of vladimir putin's top goals. and that's why it's so disturbing, troubling to see the united states sending mixed signals about our commitment to the alliance or treating it as a burden. john: nancy pelosi, the new speaker of the house, went so far as to tweet on friday night: why has the trump administration continued to discuss pulling the u.s. out of nato which would be a massive victory for putin? th...

What you want. john: you talked to the president a lot in december heading into the christmas holiday just before the shutdown. what were you telling him then? >> well, basically, i didn't think this would ever happen. i said, for the first time, mr. president, you've got six bills ready to go that we all voted on. the breakdown came, basically, the request for the fiscal year 2019 budget for the homeland security was 1.6 billion. that was appropriated. then it went to the house, and the house bumped it up to 5. then it become in contention. so they were going to put that one on a 30-day or le...