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What happens, the prerogative remains with him. he fell, the president fell on his sword on the wall issue. he sort of had to. but it's had some real world consequences in terms of u.s. foreign policy around the world. john: we'll bring you back to talk about some other pressing issues, roger stone, venezuela. but when we come back, the house sends a message to president trump, stay in nato. but is the president right, does the u.s. pay more than its share of the military burden? we'll ask the head of the alliance, jens stoltenberg, alliance, jens stoltenberg, coming up next. let's be honest. ...

Our ports of entry -- john: yeah, but would you recommend he shut down the government again? >> no one, no one wants a government shutdown, or john. it's not a desired end. but when the president vetoes a bill that's put in front of him on a spending package, sometimes that has the effect of shutting the government down. john: he also threatened an emergency declaration and use money that's already appropriated to build the wall. omb, which you used to head and still officially do, has been looking around for pots of money. how much money did you find to build a wall? >> more than $5.7 billion...

To vote for the wall measure. plus -- >> i will plead not guilt to these -- not guilty to these charges. john: what does the indictment of roger stone mean for the mueller investigation? we'll ask the sunday panel how problematic this is for the president. then, the democrat-controlled house moves to block president trump from pulling out of nato. >> it's quite simply the most successful political/military alliance in world history. john: we'll discuss the future of the u.s. role in this strategic alliance with jens stoll ten berg, secretary general of the north atlantic treaty association a...

John: democrat congressman jimmy panetta the, sponsor of the house bill, reiterating strong congressional support of nato after reports the president discussed pulling out of the military alliance over allies failing to pay their fair share. joining me now is jens stoltenberg, secretary-general of nato. thank you for being with us today. >> thank you for having me. john: first of all, another pressing issue, venezuela, and it's one that a lot of nato members are involved in, france, spain, germany, the u.k., or pressuring maduro to hold elections in seven days or they will recognize juan guaid...

Mick, should i declare an emergency, would you recommend he would do that? it would certainly almost immediately be enjoined by the courts, and that could be playing his last card. >> we're just as aware of all of those contingencies you just laid out as even else is, so if there's ways to try and mitigate those risks, we certainly will. some pots of money are easier to get to, so again, this is not something we're shooting on from the hip. we've been working on this for months. we have been hoping for months to do it by legislation with the democrats, but at the end of the day, the president ...