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John: well, a process crime is still a serious crime. >> the president's right, digging up dirt on a political opponent is called opposition research. it is not collusion. i mean -- john: but if you're working with an organization that's working with russia -- >> it is not criminal activity. >> to john's point, the issue isn't that they were trying to dig up opposition research, they were trying to see what roger stone knew about wikileaks, having information they obtained via russia. >> digging up dirt to impress the trump campaign and then lied to -- >> and work with a foreign government to ...

The republicans, by contrast, failed by saying, you know, the president -- they stuck to the tired line of no collusion and didn't go any further. john: let me connect a couple of dots. this is a, quote, process crime, and roger stone claims he's broke. listen here. >> no matter how much pressure they put on me, no matter what they say, i will not bear false witness against donald trump. i are not make up lies to ease the pressure on myself. john: that was actually the wrong sound. let's play the right sound. [laughter] >> this has been financially devastating. the leaks from the general -- fr...

Some real results, and we see that the clear message from president trump is having an impact. nato allies have heard the president loud and clear, and our nato allies are stepping up. so this is good news meaning that we actually see more fair burden-sharing. john: so that's interesting that you say the nato allies have heard the message, and it's a good thing. because president trump gets roundly criticized here in the united states and abroad for being hostile to nato, for putting too much pressure on them to live up to their financial commitments. so from your perspective, what he's saying...

Work hard to see that we find how we can solve this in a way that the president gets what he needs, but the american people fundamentally get the government that they deserve. john: we will see. i mean, the very fact that we got you two on together -- >> and we both want the same thing. we want our borders to be safe and secure. we want to stop the flow of drugs. we want to keep the people who basically are coming for the wrong reason and preying on our economy, keep them out. and -- take them out. make sure they don't come back. all these things are set. but there's a people that need a pathw...

♪ ♪ john: the clock is ticking on what could be three weeks of intense negotiations over border security before the stopgap spending measure the president signed into law expires. joining us now from washington, republican senator roy blunt and joe manchin of west virginia, the only democratic senator to consistently vote in support for funding to build a wall. senators, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> good to be with you. john: senator manchin, mick mulvaney posed the question what are democrats willing to do here. what are -- >> i think democrats want to look at, basically, the hol...