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Russia. julie? >> no, it doesn't, and that's certainly what the president and his allies are leaning on here, that the charges against stone relate to lying. and that's actually what we've seen with most of the people who mueller has indicted through this process. it hasn't gotten to the core of russian interference in the election or any kind of conspiracy. that being said, you know, one thing we know about robert mueller is that we don't know everything that he has right now, and there is definitely a whole avenue in terms of the relationship between people around trump and around stone and ...

Even be speaker again. i think she's put that to rest. [laughter] but they feel like they're on a roll here. they picked up the house majority, 40 seats or so, and the president's approval rating has declined significantly during the shutdown. so clearly, they're the winner. now, the onus is now on pelosi and the democrats to negotiate like they said they would in good faith if the government is reopened, and we'll see if they do that. one thing that strikes me about this, the real losers here are the dreamers. i think those dreamer immigrants have just been treated like pawns, particularly by...

Supposed to do, learn english, get a job, pay taxes, get in the back of the line, when your time came, you still couldn't be a citizen until we had total border security. john: sure. >> but if we're not going to fix one and we think one takes care of the other, so security only without -- john: but i think, but i think the president has indicated that he's willing to negotiate a bigger package on immigration. here's the question i have for you, senator manchin. you have voted consistently for a border barrier. many of your democratic colleagues, nancy pelosi in particular, don't want anything ...

Balkan area? >> the challenge for nato is that we are faced with many different threats at the same time. russia using violence against neighbors, but also daish, isil in the south and cyber proliferation of nuclear weapons. so we are now in the midst of the biggest reinforcement of nato since the end of the cold war. john: there are real concerns that vladimir putin may make a play on a part of estonia. if he were to do that, estonia's a nato member, would that invoke article v? >> first of all, we don't see any imminent threat against any nato ally. second, the main reason we have nato is to...

Look, the clock is running. time's running out on us. [laughter] >> that's right. john: senator blunt, the president has threatened either another government shutdown or an emergency declaration at the end of this if he doesn't get what he's looking for. you had said, quote, shutdowns are bad politics and even worse government. and on an emergency declaration, that precedent could create real problems in the future on other issues. >> right. john: so, i mean, what -- are we looking at another shutdown? >> my guess is after 35 days of in the president also thinks shutdowns are not such great po...