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Mick, should i declare an emergency, would you recommend he would do that? it would certainly almost immediately be enjoined by the courts, and that could be playing his last card. >> we're just as aware of all of those contingencies you just laid out as even else is, so if there's ways to try and mitigate those risks, we certainly will. some pots of money are easier to get to, so again, this is not something we're shooting on from the hip. we've been working on this for months. we have been hoping for months to do it by legislation with the democrats, but at the end of the day, the president ...

When the spending measure runs out. if congress comes back with a plan that does not include the $5.7 billion president trump wants for his proposed wall, or at least some percentage of that, he has threatened to let the government shut down again or declare a national emergency to bypass congress. joining me now to talk more about this is the president's acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney. mick, welcome back to "fox news sunday." i know you got back to south carolina to see your family for the fist time since new year's. >> thanks for having me, as always. john: so did the president here ca...

Government open, to hold that hostage. i don't know if anyone realized, and the white house or the president, how that would react, and i think we saw the pushback. >> well, and on the 1.6 billion which, frankly, is what the administration asked for this time last year, 1.6 billion, that clearly included walls or barriers or whatever. i think surely we can deal with the semantics of this. and then the house stepped in with a much bigger number. the president liked that number better. john: 5.7 always sounds better -- >> exactly. and lots of democrats, john, in the last week put 5.7 out there a...

Starting to agree with him on the necessity for a barrier on the southern border, and they had come to us and said, look, we agree with you, you're winning the battle on the importance of a barrier on the southern border, but we simply cannot work with you while the government is open -- excuse me, while the government was closed. that's a marked difference when they said they wouldn't talk to us about border security ever. nancy pelosi said she wouldn't give us a single dollar for the wall. so i think the president saw a chance here to try and take the democrats at their word. some of the ran...

Far the strongest alliance in the world, half of the world's economic might and half of the world's military might. so as long as we stand together, we prevent conflict. john: mr. secretary-general, we'll see you next december in brussels. >> yes. john: have a good meeting, by the way, with the defense ministers next month. up next, roger stone maintains his innocence as he faces arraignment in the mueller investigation. we'll ask our sunday panel about the arrest, the charges and what it tells us about the state of it tells us about the state of the probe. to be nobody but yourself in a wor...