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what is driving the sdaet penaldeath penalty debate now. i don't think they can look at whether capital punishment is the appropriate punishment for the most heinous crimes. there is no evidence that the death penalty deters. i think we have established now beyond any doubt that there is a serious risk of executing innocent people. and it is hideously expensive. in california alone, over the next five years, if they keep the death penalty, it will cost them a billion dollars extra. plus every time there is a death sentence in california, it takes 25 years before there is execution. so the people that originally brought the death penalty back by amendment, a lawmaker by the name of griggs, the former warden of san quintin, they are all against it. >> thank you. that's extremely useful. i want to turn to you.