Carolina. the most visits to south carolina is kamala harris, who's not in the race anymore, 50. second most, cory booker, who's not in the race anymore. third most tom steyer. you've got to go way down that list, 24 visits total, joe biden. and below him, and this is to bakari's point, amy klobuchar. you have to have some relationship, some structure in states in order to capitalize on momentum. you can't just walk in. >> chris, biden has been going there for 30 years. >> but klobuchar -- even if she gets momentum in new hampshire, maybe nevada, you've got to have a structure in place. >> we ...