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Ukraine about security assurances and the like. a lot of people go back to the obama administration and say obama was not tough enough on putin when putin went back into ukraine and donald trump for four years pretty much gave putin a path. do you see from this administration at least a right approach? are they taking in your view the right tougher approach? >> i think they are taking a much tougher approach in trying to make sure that we're united with our allies in what steps we'll follow if they do in fact invade which is a series of very tough sanctions that could virtually cut russia off ...

>> gillian: mike? >> mike: president biden and russian president vladimir putin are set to speak on the phone this afternoon. this comes as the pentagon remains deeply concerned about an imminent russian invasion of ukraine. rich edson is traveling with the president and his live in wilmington, delaware, with the latest. hello, rich. >> good afternoon, mike. russian president vladimir putin requested this call today, according to white house officials. this will take place on the u.s. and from here in wilmington, delaware. that is where president biden spending the rest of the week and the res...

What does biden hope to accomplish with germany today? >> reporter: both biden and olaf schultz hope to demonstrate solidarity with the western alliance but as you say, everyone is playing a different role. em emmanuel macron is meeting with putin trying to see if there's an off ramp that is used to provide security assurances to russia without promising that nato will not ultimately admit ukraine. president biden has been very stark in warning what the united states believes that russia may be about to do and what the consequences would be if russia takes that step to invade ukraine. olaf sch...

Getting out, as recently as the last few days. >> sandra: admiral, we appreciate any time you can join us, give us an update as this goes along. happy to have you here any time. >> john: appreciate it, see you again soon. well, a lot to chew over there. the idea not holding out an olive branch to putin, clearly, but the idea maybe some wiggle room in terms of security assurances on this egus ashore system may give putin some measure of comfort but i think it's the ukraine nato thing he's worried about. >> sandra: timing is a big question. didn't seem we got any further clarity on that. they ma...

Sanctioning putin and by stopping nord stream 2. >> threats of severe economic punishment including put a stop to russia's gas pipeline are all on the table if russia attacks ukraine. russian president vladimir putin wants security assurances that ukraine will never be a member of nato and receive mutual defense but so far he is getting getting the opposite. >> we are not. >> i. >> i nato manipulate it will mel secure our security. >> delivered antimissiles to ukraine as american weapons shipments continue as part of $200 million aid package approved by the u.s. government. with or without mil...