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>> the precipitous fall of america's mayor. explain how giuliani's public image has shifted over the years. >> it's fascinating. after 9/11 we remember him standing with first responders, president bush. he was universally beloved as america's mayor. now there is a much more unflattering portrait of giuliani emerging. all of the investigations are swirling around him into his business associates. that's put white hot scrutiny on what he was doing both for the president and for himself in terms of self-dealing, as he kind of roamed the world as trump's rogue ambassador. i think the reports this...

Got so many shifting stories. he tried this and that. saying nato didn't provide enough aid or it's all hearsay. i think everything that the whistle-blower said has now been corroborated. the idea is that the president withheld congressionally appropriated taxpayer paid for aid in order to advance the private, personal agenda. >> and now many are using the word bribery now. the framers do use that word. what does it mean in this context in. >> bribery wasn't even a crime in 1787 but it was one of those impeachable offenses. it's the same idea of self-dealing, putting your interests above the a...

Let's think about this for a minute. this was america's mayor. and he is a caricature of his former self. his self-dealing and double dealing and do clandestine deals on behalf of the president is unfortunate for our democracy and unfortunate for what we are going through right now. >> and president trump now said he didn't direct rudy giuliani to do anything on his behalf in ukraine and the president added that he's just one of many giuliani clients. what is your reaction to that? do you buy that? >> look at the history here. we have a whistle-blower report and the administration and the supp...

Someone who might try to be too powerful, might be involved in self-dealing, corruption or inviting foreign countries into interfering with our elections. so we haven't come across this in a generation, thankfully. you don't want to be doing this every year. it's a very serious, very solemn occasion and it's important that we educate ourselves, those of us who need to be crafting, drafting, amending, voting on possible articles of impeachment. but the american public has a right to know. i think of the young people in my office. they were not around during the time of the clinton impeachment, ...

A smoking gun later on in this case, is leading to some of the confusion about, well, why isn't the public opinion moving? we may find the public opinion is simply set on this. the president, whose approval rating at been stuck at 40% to 41% for months if not years simply just isn't going to move up or down from there. >> right. and republicans keep insisting anyway that simply that call and him asking for a favor, though, is not impeachable. so i mean in this day and age, it seems to be if you keep saying no and keep denying it, then that seems to be sufficient. now, the problem for the democ...