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I'm going to jail. and i think jurors listening to her on that videotape making that statement, that self-serving statement about her own situation, not providing aid to daunte wright, and then watching that emotional testimony on the stand, i think jurors weren't convinced that that emotion was about killing daunte as opposed to about her being afraid of going to jail. >> now, you've said this verdict is a game-changer in terms of police accountability. why is that? >> well, historically we have not seen jurors being willing to convict police officers in cases like this. they've given police ...

Given yesterday's results, though, is there -- do you have any pause about what this could mean a year from now in the mid-terms if people don't want it and you pass it anyway? >> dana, i disagree with mitch mcconnell. that's a pretty self-serving statement by him. the polling i've seen suggests that americans even in this divided country with our toxic politics overwhelmingly support the build back better act. again, if there is a takeaway for democrats we need to get this work done. we need to start delivering for the american people. and unfortunately as good as this bill is, it was academi...

If, in fact, sondland wasn't honest about that, could he be in trouble? >> he could. he could be charged with perjury if he knew he was making false statement. he hedged a lot about what he remembered and he blamed the fact the state department had not provided him with records so he could verify the dates and times of his calls. what he said he was really hedging when he talked about that second call which i suppose could support a theory. it's because he knew it didn't happen. i think a couple points ta are important about that. number one whether the call, the no quid pro quo happened or no...

Said, where is the outrage? >> first of all, there isn't any outrage. if there's such a thing as a narcissistic official white house statement, this is it. this is about donald trump saying, see, we didn't do anything wrong, i didn't do anything wrong. where in the statement was a congratulations to the justice department for all of its hard work and its forensic work, which is quite stunning if you read the indictment, in bringing forth this indictment. >> that's right, it's not as though they can walk in on russian military intelligence officers and interrogate them. >> they're quoting from ...

Because it's not surprising. this is -- so the united states department of justice puts forth a series of what it says are provable facts that they are going to be able to prove this case in court, about a direct attack on the core of our democrats, free and fair elections. and the commander in chief, the president of the united states, through his spokesperson, issues a statement that says absolutely nothing about the country being attacked, but instead is just a self-serving statement to say, see, i told you so, this doesn't involve me or my campaign. that is such a dereliction of duty, i fi...