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Care? is it better to have directed terrorist activity or is their goal to have it be self-starters, inspired by al qaeda rather than directed by? >> it's a very important point that you raise. it's been established that these individuals were in saudi arabia. if we look at that as a clue, the group that tends to be prominent there is al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. that's the group that's plotted attacks against the united states before. the underpants bomber being one of them. then the ink cartridge plot where they tried to detonate a device on board a cargo plane. and the other examples ...

California mass shooting? was it terrorism? joining us via skype is an expert on radicalization, dr. sajhan gohel for the asia-pacific foundation think tank. so nice to see you. so many questions. let's talk a bit about some major differences here we're seeing. this husband and wife team, you know, armed to the hilt. all of these bombs with a six-month-old baby and they leave the scene. it doesn't bear the hallmarks of other paris-style attacks, for example. >> good morning. we are seeing a very different type of strategy in this attack in san bernardino. the dynamic that's still very importan...

Isis has been able to carry out more attacks in more parts of the world than ever before. what needs to be done is the dismantling of structure on the ground, otherwise it will continue to exist and support their agenda and a new media platform and radicalize self-starters. whatever the tough rhetoric is it has to be matched now with deeds, because, otherwise, they will plot and plan other attacks. this is a death cult that very much wanted economic -- >> reporter: do you think that isis is conducting more of thee terror attacks we are seeing, for instance, against the russian airliner and the...

Attackers. they tend to be -- for attacks like this, they tend to be males within a certain kind of age range. the calmness is interesting and something that is a little bit different toe engage from eyewitness attacks. they appeared calm to the eyewitnesses. but to what extent do these guys receive training? to what extent were they self-trained or self-starters? this speaks to that point. though the professionalism of the attacks and the fact that they were able to avoid surveillance is much more significant in that regard. >> you don't learn this level of coordination by log on to the inter...

Just over the fourth of july, a few of those isis operatives had gotten through we could have had a massive attack. we also have the self starters in the u.s., those who have been radicalized over the internet. that is a threat we have to be concerned about and take seriously. the copy cats and also the organized -- those who are actually trained by isis or by al qaeda. no, this is a very real threat. we've had 50, 60 al qaeda or isis operatives arrested in the u.s. just this year. a few get through and we could have a disaster. >> as a chairman of the subcommittee on counterterrorism, was the...