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That. >> the current president did say turn on the victrola at one point. to david's point, it is a good point right? and to your point about the outrage machine. we just got drubed because independents told us they feared trump and too trumpy candidates and as we looked to 2024 the senate has, one-third of the senate, 33 senators running. of the 33, 23 are democrats. so the democrats have a very unfavorable map in coming up here in 2024. i am very fearful if we don't try to turn the ship around in the water that we'll snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again. >> david axelrod, it is ...

Why harris is jumping up, voters see her as the electable choice. >> that's who could take on donald trump. we have potential black voters and their choice for a nominee. >> there you go. here we go. i think this is rather -- take a look here, back in april and may, joe biden, 49% among african-americans, there's a real question, given that we have two african-american senators running. what do we see? we see now -- look at harris, a jump from 6% to 24%. in other words, by 4, by a multiple of four, she jumped up. one of the things i'll point out, this to me, harris is starting to look like oba...

Conservative voter flinch when they see the picture of chris christie hugging barack obama. >> but of all the senators running, marco rubio sponsored more legislation with democrats and chris christie's executive experience but extremely unpopular. he's experienced but hasn't done well. these are great talking points but flaws in all of them. >> one of the things i thought that rubio could be the bill clinton of the republicans, bill clinton '92 of the republican party. bring more people in, inject a youth to the race. he hasn't done that. what's interesting is this is a race where governors a...

Winning elections on this because it's not an issue for for middle income people. it's an issue for the working poor. neither party has a coherent message for people making $20 or $30 an hour who can't get a wage increase through regulation. >> but, josh, if you remember, the midterm elections were you found four senators running, they were running on a platform of being republican but the ones at the same time down ballot the initiatives that won were minimum wage. so this is an issue that resonates across party lines and that's why it's one of the reasons why you see marco rubio talking abou...

Rates for people on capital gains down to zero. the party is out of touch but so says s his economic plan. i disagree on the minimum wage issue. democrats think this is a great issue, democrats haven't been winning elections on this because it's not an issue for for middle income people. it's an issue for the working poor. neither party has a co-heent message for people making $20 or $30 an hour who can't get a wage increase through regulation. >> but, josh, if you remember, the midterm elections were you found four senators running, they were running on a platform of being republican but the ...