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>> define what victory is for both the sides. the democrats, you know, they have a little bit -- it is a little bit broader for them. if they get anything out of the committee and get anything out of conference, they can put together and put a budget together. obama can say look, i governed across the aisle, we can do this for the party, the republicans have a much harder sell with this. their problem is what used to be a big defeat for them, the big upcoming defense cuts in the sequester, if they don't get a deal, are no longer a defeat. there are some republicans who are upset by the defense...

Congress, and obviously the low approval rating you referred to suggests that a lot aren't, but those of us who are listening who are connecting to our home states are hearing just how difficult this is for classroom teachers, for parents whose kids are sick and who are hoping for new drug treatments from the nih, or for those who defend our country who are either reserve or guardsmen. there is real pain across our country as a result of this sequester and as a result of this government shutdown. my hope is that that will motivate republicans to be willing to join democrats in finding some bal...

Know, preposterous cuts that have ever been and when you have one side saying, hey, these are pretty good, you change the entire picture of the game. this is a big deal because if you have the democrats saying that this sequester is really awful, and republicans saying it is not so awful, you know, let's trade for it, but democrats saying we're not going to trade anything for it, you know, it puts a lot of onus on the democrats in terms of what they're willing to accept. >> the one thing about sequester, though, people with sequester, people are still off one day a month from work. and people ...

Were not buying shirts from them. they're saying that their sales were down for two weeks. so when you look at it, who held the whole thing up? the president and john boehner said every time we go back to the tea party, they said, no, they said no. you have to remember that the republicans have to appease them, but they have to bring them in line. >> i guess the question with ryan is maybe this is just -- this represents the limits of the tea party, but is it possible he's buying himself space for these negotiations by taking -- what ended up being more of a symbolic vote against this or way t...

>> bret: if they do alter it? >> we'd have to look at it but i caution against it. >> bret: congressman van hollen you were one of the 151 against the c.r. your district has a lot of federal workers. a lot of people tied to the federal government. this would fund the federal government. why vote against it. >> the good news is we will not shut down the federal government. we can do better in this bill. this is the last chance this month to replace the sequeste sequester. i asked four times for alternative to the sequester to achieve the deficit reduction without losing the 750,000 jobs. that i...