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Mueller, and we have the reality, and that is that attorneys from both sides are talking about the scope of the kinds of questions that will be asked at the inevitable interview of donald trump? >> that's right. i think the second track is both the far more intriguing track, and the far more reality-based one. the truth is the real question is not necessarily whether mueller's investigators will want to interview the president. of course they will. the president in the "wall street journal" article acted as if he didn't need to address that question or worry about it because obviously there is...

You know, this is a course thing of the culture. what's so remarkable and what we're going to be dealing with for a long time is the fact that the person who in the office of which franklin roosevelt said, it is preeminently a place of moral leadership, that person himself is kind of the chief course ener, if that's the word at the moment. that's beyond -- that's almost a separate question from the legal question. mike mentioned his impeachment, the 25th amendment. the issue here is these are -- those are legal steps. you can't really impeach a president simply because you don't like him, you ...

Representative adam schiff, he said that they could only imagine the expletives that were flying in the intel community and perhaps even the cabinet after trump tweeted. we could barely get the news out on the first tweet before he tweeted again and was like doing a u-turn. and anyway, it just sort of all played out very, very quickly this morning and a lot of confusion. >> chuck, how do you convince people that warrantless, when they hear that word, doesn't mean reckless? >> good question, brian. warrantless sounds nefarious. >> right. >> but the 4th amendment talks about the need to get a wa...

Is expected to want to speak with him along with first daughter and white house aide ivanka trump. as for the president, he continues to dodge questions about his willingness to speak with special counsel robert mueller. this is what he said back in june. >> would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of -- >> 100%. >> so, if robert mueller wanted to speak to you about that -- >> i would be glad to tell him exactly what i just told you. >> that was then, sunny day in the rose garden. today when asked that exact question in his "wall street journal" interview, he would say onl...

In the senate. rand paul says he's going to filibuster anything that doesn't have strict protections. we have to see how that's going to play out. i think it's going to pass. people believe it's going to pass. the president said he's going to sign it. the question becomes how will the fbi actually implement this new tweak in the law that says they have to get a warrant in certain -- very certain cases in communications. >> deb, you are setting up our next conversation for when we revisit this entire conversation. for now our thanks to chuck rosenberg, jeremy bash and deb for joining us tonight...