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More than 60% of republicans. so they are going to be judged harshly by the voters as well as by history, and there's one more point here, and lindsey graham knows it. every day or always, often in america juries are instructed. a party that blocks or conceals evidence or gags witnesses can be in effect judged by an adverse inference. you can conclude that the evidence that's blocked would have been harmful to the party blocking it. that's exactly what trump is doing here. he's blocking evidence that would be harmful to him, not helpful. >> final question about something that relates to impeac...

And that's the other thing that comes through here very, very clearly is that you have a president pushing actual conspiracy theories, a conspiracy theory that we now know his own homeland security adviser tom bossert said to him in private stop talking about this crowdstrike thing. this is the notion of a server being in ukraine. it is not true, and it is going to hurt you, and he -- he didn't care, and so all of this is to push a conspiracy which he decided that he was going to believe because it helped his political agenda and american foreign policy, democracy, took actual real corruption ...

Susceptible to a putin or to from the president of hungary, who the president met with without anybody present. >> my guess is the president talks with rudy giuliani more often than president putin or prime minister orban. i almost worry more about rudy giuliani because as we know, you only need to look at rudy giuliani's twitter feed to know he trades in these conspiracy theories, about the dnc server being in ukraine. rudy giuliani whispers those things in the president's ears. foreign policy is really, really hard. victories in foreign policy are measured in inches. so when rudy giuliani ca...

Of hungary, who the presidentmepresident met with without anybody present. >> my guess is the president talks with rudy giuliani more often than president putin or prime minister orbon. i almost worry more about rudy giuliani because as we know, you only need to look at rudy giuliani's twitter feed to know he trades in these conspiracy theories, about the dnc server being in ukraine. rude rufd whispers those things in the president's ears. foreign policy is really, really hard. victories in foreign policy are measured in inches. so when rudy giuliani calls up the president, as i'm sure he

Denies that he felt pressure. at some level, he's in a no-win situation, right? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. it looks to me, from looking at that transcript, and this is just a guess, that he's been advised to say some of those things. you know, there are other world leaders who have had experience speaking to trump, and there's certainly the perception that what you need to do when you talk to the american president now is flatter him, talk about his hotels, you know, say that you stayed in one of them. and it's clearly an attempt to, you know, and clearly, an attempt to, you know, to try to get ...