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Is that in effect rewarding russia for its brutal invasion of ukraine? >> it absolutely would be rewarding russia for invasion of ukraine. and president zelenskyy, he's shadow boxing with these proposals. maybe they're real, maybe they aren't real. the peace talks going on, it is a game that amuses the west, and amuses putin and gets newspaper headlines, maybe peace is near and the dow rises by 400 points. but this is going to be decided by the situation on the ground. if ukrainians push the russians out, they won't give up ground. if ukrainians run out of am mission, run out of heavy equipmen...

>> i think what we're seeing is just a continuation of the warfare and other means using statements about making progress on peace negotiations coming particularly from the ukrainians who want to make sure that if there is no progress, it's the russians who are tore perioding it. after the istanbul talk, the turks are positive, but within the day the russians were again saying not a lot of progress is being made. not much happening then, of course, the attack on the oil facility which is an important military target for the ukrainians to hit on russian territory, led the russians to say if you...

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So both sides are, if you like, this is shadow boxing that's going on. the u.s. yesterday the secretary of state for the assistant secretary of state for the european affairs used the language all options are on the table. that is in diplomatic terms very strong and that would have been noticed. the trick for the biden administration, though is to get the europeans behind it. it's not enough. it's not going to be enough if putin only hears from joe biden. he is fully aware that the united states, the american people are not in the mood for a war and he can, putin can keep pressing harder and h...