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>> well, it was completely contrary to the leadership of president trump's state department. so look, here is the big picture. the trump administration was running an excellent policy critic of president trump's it's not easy for me to praise him, but it was a perfect policy. it was better than the obama administration's policy. gillian: wow. >> the official policy, which was fighting corruption, and supporting ukraine against russia. but what started happening over the last year was that the president through rudy guiliani was running a parallel policy, a shadow policy, that had a different a...

Investigators the president pressured the state department to fire her because she would not investigate joe biden. one of the president's critics on capitol hill admitted that until the past he summer ukraine was one of the president's bright spots. >> it was a perfect policy, better than the obama administration's policy. the official policy, which was fighting corruption and supporting ukraine against russia. but what started happening over the last year was the president through rudy giuliani was running a parallel policy, a shadow policy that had a different aim, the aim was to try to get...

Critics say his only qualification was being the former vice president's son. one of the critics on capitol hill admitted until this past summer, ukraine was one of the president's bright spots. >> it was a perfect policy. it was better than the obama administration's policy. >> wow. >> the official policy. which was fighting corruption and supporting ukraine against russia. but what started happening over the last year was that the president, through rudy giuliani, was running a parallel policy, a shadow policy that had a different aim. the aim was to try to get dirt on vice president biden. ...

Before house impeachment investigators and she claims the president pressured the state department to fire her. the former ambassador told lawmakers rudy guiliani accused her of in subordination and blocking his efforts to investigate joe biden and his son hunter who worked for a gas company there. critics say his only qualification was being the former vice spots. >> it was a perfect policy. it was better than the obama administration's policy. >> wow. >> the official policy, which was fighting corruption, and supporting ukraine against russia. but what started happening over the last year wa...

Bolton went ballistic after a july white house meeting that included advisers to ukraine's new president where sondland blurted out there were investigations that were dropped that need to be started up again referring to those involving joe biden and his son hunter. for more i'm joined by ned price, former national security adviser and david from. ned, let me start with you. this idea of a shadow policy, shadow foreign policy i think folks have a pretty good soechbs wh -- sense of what that means. take us through whether it was what she was saying about rudy giuliani or about gordon sondland....