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Official, mckinley who resigned last week just wrapping up testifying behind close doors and as alex marquardt said a source confirmed lawmakers that he was concerned about the firing of a u.s. ambassador sounding the alarm about the activities in ukraine of the president's lawyer rudy giuliani. >> reporter: today a new member added to the parade of officials going before congress. all confirming the concerns raised by the whistle-blower over what has been called the president's shadow policy with ukraine. now stunning new revelations from a former top adviser to secretary of state mike pompeo...

Policy. that is according to congressman jerry conally who said, quote, kent told congressional investigators that the trio called themselves the three amigos and elbowed all the other officials at state out of the way. the self-described three amigos were identified as secretary of energy rick perry, u.s. ambassador to the eu gordon sondland, and special envoy kirk volker. they were asiped to carry out trump's agenda in ukraine which some have described a shadow policy just days after ambassador marie yovanovitch was ousted amid a smear campaign led by giuliani and two of his associates. acco...

And from you, this has all happened after a decision and maybe because of a decision the president made. >> 100%. thanks to our international viewers for watching. for you "cnn newsroom" is next. to u.s. viewers, democrats in washington investigate the ukrainian controversy while candidates hit the debate stage. "new day" continues right now. p fiona hill telling them about her concerns about rudy giuliani's shadow policy. >> the democrats should provide republicans and the president exactly what they would insist if the roles were reversed. >> a dozen democrats face high stakes in the b...

Instrumental the president was in all of this. you hear a lot of talk about rudy giuliani doing a shadow foreign policy. well, rudy wasn't acting on his own. he was acting at the direction of the president. we have heard now in a number of reports that ambassador sondland was talking directly to the president. that's very unusual. normally ambassadors go through the state department. they go through the channels. the fact that the president and this novice diplomat sitting in brussels were running foreign policy in ukraine is unusual even if there wasn't this attempt to dig up dirt, adding the...

Democrats want to ask kent who had a close relationship with former ukrainian ambassador marie yovanovitch what was going on behind the scenes behind her removal and the shadow policy that may have been led by personal attorney rudy giuliani. much doesn't leak. the fight over the substance really not leaking in the traditional ways we see here in washington congressman jim jordan earlier today saying that these rules are simply unacceptable. listen. >> they are making the rules up as they go along. they aren't even following their own rules. they don't even follow the rules they put in place. ...