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Fears the most is being a loser, which may be why, if he doesn't run in 2024, that would probably be it, because he can not face the thought of losing for a second time but the stoking of anger is a powerful motivator and it's ripping -- you quoted earlier that piece from enid, oklahoma, about mask wearing and it's -- you feel it out there in all of the reporting we're getting from around the country, this sense of anger and division and incivility, and like you, i don't know where we go from here. >> well, pete wehner, it's your reporting and storytelling that will help us know what's coming....

The democrats. they're the ones that are keeping schools closed and putting mass on kids and bending the knee to far l left teachers unions. they let them right covid laws advocate against school choice here with reaction. senator lindsey graham, i'm sure you're happy to hearnn that she's running again. >> that can't be good for kids, for the parents , the childrenhi to lose ground to rampant inflation has it good for a kide to have rampant crime, rising crime or kid young kid was killed walking in the streets in chicago's. the best they can do for kidsis is the fire these people because they'...

Running for re-election to congress. >> she's been in congress 32 years, first elected in 1987, this would be her 18th. she would be 82 if and when that happens. she gave no indication if she plans to remain party leader as republicans see an opportunity. >> nancy pelosi, damned if you do and damned if you don't. if she doesn't run, that is her admitting they will lose the house. they are doubling down on failed leadership. >> todd: pelosi hasn't indicated she would keep her upon currents team as hoyer draws criticism for backing biden's illegitimate election claims, watch. >> president biden ...

With us. matt, let's start with you. by the way, for those who don't know, you are the head of cpac and have been for a long time. i know you are doing at this february at the end of the month but let's talk a little bit. is she viable? >> yes, she's viable. i think what's interesting about 2024, sean, is its two ex-presidents that are going to determine everything. we have donald trump. if he runs, he wins, if he doesn't run, he picks of the nominees going to be. it is barack obama with the democrat spirit he's the one who got everyone out of the field so that joe biden could get this nominat...

With us. matt, let's start with you. by the way, for those who don't know, you are the head of cpac and have been for a long time. i know you are doing at this february at the end of the month but let's talk a little bit. is she viable? >> yes, she's viable. i think what's interesting about 2024, sean, is its two ex-presidents that are going to determine everything. we have donald trump. if he runs, he wins, if he doesn't run, he picks of the nominees going to be. it is barack obama with the democrat spirit he's the one who got everyone out of the field so that joe biden could get this nominat...