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To stick to. martha: that's a very ambitious. democrats told the house, the senate, the white house, can you get those two things done by this august recess, senator? >> i sure want to. and by the way, there's a little bit of wordsmanship going on. there were a half dozen times when mitch mcconnell was leader of the senate where he would put up what's called a shell bill because there's not the full details then you substitute the actual text once you get into the negotiations. there will be amendments on the infrastructure bill. we'll have the text. it will be out there tomorrow. after we're ...

And that's the schedule i intend to stick to. martha: that's a very ambitious. democrats told the house, the senate, the white house, can you get those two things done by this august recess, senator? >> i sure want to. and by the way, there's a little bit of wordsmanship going on. there were a half dozen times when mitch mcconnell was leader of the senate where he would put up what's called a shell bill because there's not the full details then you substitute the actual text once you get into the negotiations. there will be amendments on the infrastructure bill. we'll have the text. it will be...

That he will make that immediate business of the senate, meaning he will swap in that deal for the shell bill for the empty legislation that they will be considering at that time. so in plain english, they need to get a deal, they need to get 60 votes and then it's off to the races with the infrastructure bill. that is no easy task, john, because if you think about it this way, they need to have legislative text, they need to write the bill, get it scored by the budget office and the joint committee on taxation. so we're a long way from notching that victory for joe biden and chuck schumer. >>...

There -- she said that if there is no shutdown today, next week he will bring an immigration bill to the floor but not -- he didn't say what might be in that bill. what are your predictions as far as that goes? >> mitch mcconnell has been intentionally vague about what that piece of legislation might look like. he wants it to be a freewheeling debate and immigration, probably include daca. like most things in the senate, you have to get 60 votes. he's basically saying, all right, we'll have a freewheeling debate, basically put a shell bill up there. you can have things on border security, you ...

And the taxes gone. if they don't get that money, $500 billion to $1 trillion out of health care, their setback on their next big, more favorite goal of tax reform. what's amazing to me is when the house bill was floundering and it was a mess in march, failed march 24th. in april, it seemed like they could never get anything done and they did get the house bill out in the first week of may, all the members said why don't we pass a shell bill, the senate is the one that can write this bill. we can never pass a bill. if we send just medical device tax repeal over to the senate, they are going to...