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Cannot be the leader of all iraqis and to many shiites as well. >> the baghdadi video you mentioned proves this is not a sunni/shia issue. it's committed by somebody who claims to be leader of the sunnis on sunnis. the issue we have is one of terrorism, not one of pure sectarian issues where the prime minister has a hand in it. this is more dangerous. it's more immediate. it provides risk to the region. we need to focus on the issues here rather than personalizing it. i don't think it will benefit anybody. >> it is personal, though. it's personal to the extent that, let me read something that ...

To manifest itself. >> yes, and a lot of iraqis are not talking -- they say this is not our fundamentalism. this is not our kind of thing. it's important to actually note this that in iraq we never had that extremism. this is a new phenomena that was introduced in the last decade. truly. a lot of christian population, for example, are very, very scared right now because isis has burned churches in mosul. a lot of moderate sunni and shias are very scared. that does not reflect the iraqi population but it's a dangerous phenomena. fundamentalist groups usually provide humanitarian aid and get the...

I'm not even iraq -- i'm t turkish, i don't think i'm iraqi today. and then the sunni/shia issue. does anybody on our side of the fence at the pentagon or elsewhere even know what the stability of those relationships? >> the selling point for the united states to iraqis is, every one of these groups that you mentioned, they have to realize, their interests are better together than apart. the shias get pulled out of iraq and start aligning themselves with iran, they'll be isolated and start losing a lot. the kurds try to establish a separate state, they're landlocked. >> what happens to southea...