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Be appealed. in both cases, the judges ruled against the president and said that documents did have to be produced about the president's finances to congress. so the judiciary will be closing on the president. may be even faster than congress will. >> new numbers from a monmouth poll. this is interesting. just as a take on american attitudes on this, should mueller himself testify? yes, 73-20. what is your latest reporting? is it doj where he is still on the pay roll that is either making it tough or difficult or impossible? >> well, i think it is the administration that is making it difficult...

Has been very reluctant to put himself out there. i think him and his associates have always wanted the report to speak for itself. they didn't want to draw conclusions on whether or not trump obstructed justice. and i think that mueller and his team have tried to be very careful to not get drawn into what is a very partisan warfare over what trump did and did not do in office and whether or not he abused that office. >> and back to this question of testimony. for whatever reason, if we don't hear from bob mueller, what does that do to the public case that is made in the mueller report going f...

The rules of engagement with mr. mueller had not yet been defined. my understanding is we've made overtures, our committee staff to the mueller organization. we have not had a definitive response from mr. mueller, and that's a work in progress. clearly there will be some boundaries, and we will respect them because we don't want to jeopardize the criminal investigation. >> congressman, appreciate your time. everyone else is going to stay with us here. we've got a lot more to discuss. and later we'll get sam donaldson to take a new reporting about kellyanne conway in leaps.

The public needs to hear the whole story with some carve outs in terms of what's going on with mr. mueller. but they haven't heard that so far, and i think you're seeing fear coming out of mr. trump and this white house because they know how much mr. cohen knows and they know how important his relationship was with the trump organization. >> congressman, what can you do to ease michael cohen's concerns about these threats? is there something that you can say? is there something -- a letter you can write to anybody? is there anything you can actually do as members of this committee who want to ...

When they're talking about the mob looks a lot like how mob behavior looks like. and it's a shameful moment for the presidency of the united states. >> congressman conally, if you would just stay with us. i'm joined by jeff toobin and gloria borger and dana bash. i know they also have some questions for you. jeff? >> should mueller investigate the president for this? should he add this to the things he's investigating? >> jeff, you know, i think that a lot of what we're concerned about actually has happened in front of our own eyes. for example, obstruction of justice. and, yeah, i think we --...