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Of what they say to heart. i'm sorry that they'd have that sort of response and they have that sort of thinking, because they are the policy—makers and they are very important people in any society. but, to be honest, i cannot be shocked by anything that they say. what do you make of the young sportspeople who speak out very clear and very loud right now against what they see as persistent racism in society and in sport, and also use their platform to deliver social messages? i'm thinking of marcus rashford... yeah. ..the england footballer. i'm thinking of naomi osaka, the haitian—japanes...

So, why can't cricket as a sport and as an organisation, the people that run cricket, take it upon themselves and say, "this is something that we believe in. we believe black lives matter." forget the political side and political organisation. "we believe in three words — black lives matter." everyone takes a knee in respect of that. that's a gesture that is known and respected throughout the world to support black lives matter. and then they can't do it...? yeah, well, that's fascinating, cos the english cricket team decided to stop taking the knee, i think, in september 2020. you... and th...

To people who spoke out. i think the climate is right now, the atmosphere�*s good right now for people to speak out and not be punished and not be ostracised. your message appears to be that, rather than as a sportsman focusing on what's happening in the sports arena, it is much more useful to think bigger picture and to go much deeper and to focus more than anything else on education. educating the society... now... people... sorry, go on. people keep on telling me, "oh, what should cricket do? what should football do?" you do whatever you think you need to do, cricketers or footballers or ...

Something else if i didn't play cricket, but it definitely made me what i am. "..is letting me down personally." and i take it very personal. because when the england team can say, officially, stephen, notjust by rumour, officially put out a press release that they only took the knee in respect of their visitors, what that tells me, if their visitors was a white team, they would not have done it. so, why can't cricket as a sport and as an organisation, the people that run cricket, take it upon themselves and say, "this is something that we believe in. we believe black lives matter." forget the...

Because he is the black fast bowler in that team. yes, yes. yep. when you heard the british home secretary saying that she felt taking the knee was, to use her phrase, "nothing but gesture politics..." "gesture politics." ..how did you feel about that? well, stephen, i'll tell you, i don't have a lot of respect for a lot of politicians, so itjust goes over my head. i am not one to take too much of what they say to heart. i'm sorry that they'd have that sort of response and they have that sort of thinking, because they are the policy—makers and they are very important people in any society. b...