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Continue to drift back toward candidates like youngkin, they are more likely, i think, to get trump as their nominee in 2024. >> okay, so, scott, having said all of this. trump is in the race, he is not really in the race. he is kind of in the race. he hasn't been there but he is doing these tele-rallies. i mean, he also released a statement today full of lies falsely questioning the integrity of virginia's elections but also telling his base to flood the system and get out and vote. for months, he has been saying don't trust the election, don't trust the system. and now, he wants people to go...

Before. donald trump and the republicans have no respect for their own voters. they have zero respect for their own voters. the voting isn't just about what happened to donald trump. the voting is about how am i going to improve my life? what are the politicians doing? how can i hold them accountable? what can happen in my community? what roads are going through? what bridges are getting built? what jobs are coming here? the vote is related to all these things which affect trump voters as much as biden voters in this but again we have a perfect example as donald trump has no respect, no respec...

Shouldn't vote. how to strike a balance is difficult. as far as mandating vaccination i think the supreme court would uphold gradual mandating of vaccination, conditioning going to school and being vaccinated for getting on airplanes, going into crowded buildings. ultimately if it became absolutely necessary they would quote george washington in the middle of the revolutionary war the mandated vaccination against smallpox. laura: are you saying -- i disagree with this analysis. covid 19 is not smallpox. i don't think you have to overrule, you can distinguish the jacobson case on the basis of t...

Amounts of fraud. these are facts. and they're undisputable. >> but they can be disputed. there are no -- the facts are, there was not massive -- >> no widespread voter fraught. >> why? so what's the reason behind why this continues to be, i guess, the leading mantra for those in the gop? i mean, why is this effective, and how are they seeing that this is effective? >> right. so first of all, that was a red herring there by matt schlapp. everyone does agree that people who can't legally vote shouldn't vote. what the republican party and people on the political right have tried to do in recent ...

Very personal against a candidate who is the front-runner who is popular, and who wasn't attacking him personally. and so, it just seemed very vicious. and it didn't go over well when swalwell, in a previous debate did something similar, talking about joe biden's age. so, these types of attacks against the front-runner are going to back fire. they're better off attacking trump, trying to remain united. and trying to distinguish themselves amongst the other candidates as to why you should vote for him, not why you shouldn't vote for joe biden. >> natasha lyindstedt giving us perspective, thank ...