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>> let's take a look at the photograph there, they're there after the debate. president obama quite happy with the debate process in that situation. he did the debate prep for everyone, over decades. that is such a special. roll it's a roll of trust with everyone involved. >> yes, it's a role where you have to be able to give know and to punch, when not to punch, there's probably no one better that has ever done debate prep than ron klain. i experienced a lot of those skill sets certainly an benefited from them even in my job working for him when i was the white house press secretary. >> what ...

Presented a rocking horse, a beautiful piece of work done by the royal maker, it was a very, beautiful piece of art, but she showed the commissioner bob paulson at that time, a tough burly policeman, and she was showing him the hobbyhorse, and she sort of patted the horse on the rump, a drawer popped out filled with maple syrup and she said we call that the bottom drawer. and with the look of great mischievousness in herface, she said, commissioner, get on the horse. now, bob paulson is no shrinking violet, and he looked at me with a look of great terror on his face, like minister, what should...

Not know how the reporters got it." nevertheless, they did. and i think that marianna, you, i, we've all talked about this. ultimately it might not matter if it doesn't actually matter to trump. >> well, and john allen, that is the big question now, is how much does this matter to donald trump? his support is crucial for kevin mccarthy's plans to hopefully in his mind be speaker after the midterms. we know he's got enemies within trump's orbit. what should we make of how all this is going to play in the maga universe? >> well, as you know, garrett, donald trump is not a shrinking violet. and y...

>> ellen now held an executive level position at a large dealership. she was the boss to 30 mechanics, and making upwards of $90,000 a year. >> she put your feet to the fire, to make sure you get the job done and move on. >> she was no pushover. >> she was no pushover. >> she stood up for herself. >> right. >> inside the walls of that nice home, allen's rank was near the bottom. >> he became very condescending, controlling. where i could go, who i could see. >> at home, mike made the rules and ellen obeyed them. >> you had a significant executive job at a big company. >> yes. >> so, you're not...

Lisa Schwarzbaum reviews a selection of books that also includes Wil Haygood’s “Colorization,” which qualifies as “an invaluable national memoir.”