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Clear how much he is giving on this. how much closer do you think we are to a deal this morning? >> i think it is inexorable. both sides need a way out. on the one hand, the polling shows if you add up the president and republicans in congress, more people blame republicans than democrats for the shutdown. on the other hand, history shows you pretty clearly that a shutdown cannot force a president to do something he doesn't want to do. democrats were on the other side of this with bill clinton and barack obama in 1995 and 2013, they understand that the leverage created by a shutdown is limited...

Cornyn, who also is expressing some optimism. he said u schumer wants to give people a chance to chew on it. that's why he didn't want to have a vote tonight. it's better to have a successful vote tomorrow at noon than a failed vote tonight. ron? >> cornyn was one of the most pessimi pessimist, so the shift in tone is noteworthy. you have to be realistic about what you can achieve through it. it is i don't think -- i think the evidence is clear. a shutdown cannot make a president do something he doesn't want to do. it didn't to bill clinton or barack obama. if they are able to get mitch mcconn...