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And the problems and what lewandowski did and i covered that. >> right. >> what do you say to this point that he was wily and effective as a hostile witness >> i don't think he was wily and effective and i thought he wore down toward the end. several of the members got elements of the crime of conspiracy what people forget is that you don't have to succeed in a conspiracy we have trump asking him basically to kill the investigation by converting sessions to their side and he's told this but he doesn't stop there, he does overt acts he writes down what the president wants sessions to hear he ma...

I guess, to try to agree in certain areas maybe or make headway on certain issues, namely the economy. the president yesterday with his moves on china really pushed that to the forefront. it was already going to be an issue. there are a number of leaders who are worried about the u.s. trade war with china and how that's affecting their economies, particularly in europe where we've seen softening of those economies. then you have a number of world leaders worried about whether president trump will slap them with tariffs on some of their goods. these threatened that with germany on cars, france ...

>> melissa: this is somebody who isn't terribly frustrated that everybody who has the power to act isn't acting. instead, they criticize the actions he is taking rather than taking their own. if you want to say "i don't like this come close to do your own thing. on joey's point, what's interesting to me, if people are fleeing countries because of a breakdown in the rule of law and then they come here and we are supposed to ignore the law -- >> capri: using trade policy to move immigration policy customer gig it's either of those things done in the end. >> dagen: a lot of republicans have said ...

Untruths about your own situation, i didn't want someone to say, you had some side conversations with the president of the united states. it's something we discussed and talked about. did not think it was appropriate. >> when rosenstein discussioned that in a meeting. that is the point you think prosecutors can legitimately discuss? >> i think as a general matter, so long as it doesn't violate a law in new york. if you have a concern -- we all kn know, you want to protect your own integrity and you take contemporaneous notes, as virtually everyone who's dealt with the president does. or you ma...

>> if you had called him back? >> yeah, i wanted to make sure, because i had a certain amount of mistrust. if he decided to say something inappropriate. >> this season the in the book, this is pretty interesting. >> yeah, that's why this whole debate about whether rod rosenstein was joking when he said, i'll wire up against the president or not, sort of rung in my ear a little bit. i tend to believe he was not joking, there's been a certain kind of conduct that happens, and when you're used to someone -- seeing someone tell untruths about your own situation, i didn't want someone to say, you h...