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That he could raise. really the issue here is going to be, whichever side loses, can probably appeal. again, that's a time game. it's just going to slow everything down. >> i also want to ask you about this poll i saw, carol, over the weekend. it views how people see our legal system. nearly 60% trust civilian juries to be fair and honest. the most trusted part, by the way, of our court system. on the flip side is that more than a third of the people that they polled did not trust juries. how do you read those numbers, and how do you even begin to quantify the pressure that will be on jurors i...

Nomination, which means the republican base supports the overthrowing of the federal government. >> election denialism. >> it's the same thing. if you overthrow -- if you want to overthrow an election just because your side loses. >> yeah. >> by the way, the more i see, the more i read, i talk to people, they don't care. they don't care that donald trump tried to overthrow american democracy. they don't care he tried to throw out a presidential election. they don't care that he wanted to terminate the constitution of the united states. this, democrats, is who you're going to face. >> yeah. >> ...

Deniers are running very strongly while saying -- while not committing to recognizing the outcome of this election or any other election in the future that their side loses. so that is the fundamental problem, and it's combined with this extremely incendiary language that you hear from everybody from donald trump on down about how this is a communist country and now democrats are destroying america. i mean, this is just over-the-top rhetoric. and the result, as we see with these people, you know, like a guy who went and attacked an fbi office this summer after the fbi's search of mar-a-lago or...

Those republicans, more than 100 republican lawmakers, voted to decertify joe biden's victory on january 6th. that number can't be repeated enough. >> by the way, you have mike lee trying to cover his tracks from what he tried to do in subverting democracy. mel brooks suddenly is going, oh, no, mr. president. everybody is trying to cover their tracks now. too late. too late. you're either for democracy, for free elections, even when your side loses, or you're not. >> so a columnist has a new piece for "new york times" entitled "a biden bloodbath?" he writes -- "biden is a decent man as matter ...

Place election officials who will do what trump ordered republican election officials to do on january 6th. and that is to nullify any election that his side loses. that would be the end of democracy in america. and again, i know senator manchin is concerned about that. the obstacle here is the filibuster. but i do think that there is a path forward. because while the filibuster is part of senate tradition, the way it works today is not part of senate tradition. the filibuster for most of our industry did not serve as an absolute block on any piece of legislation that the majority wanted to su...