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Team spoke here for about an hour and a half. The war in ukraine dominated the conversation. Afterwards, Sir Keir Starmer wouldnt be drawn on whether he persuaded the president that authorised western missiles of russia was a good idea. Western missiles of russia was a good idea a good idea. Instead, He Said a good idea. Instead, He Said. Theres a good idea. Instead, He Said. Theres only a good idea. Instead, He Said. Theres only one | a good idea. Instead, He Said. Theres only one reason were having these discussions and thats because putin has invaded ukraine and the quickest way to resolve ...

Drawn on whether hed persuaded the president That Authorising Ukraine To Fire Western Missiles at russia was a good idea. Instead, he said. Well, theres only one reason were having these discussions, and that is because putin has illegally invaded ukraine. And the quickest way to resolve this obviously lies through, you know, what putin actually does, because its for him to end this. But we are having the discussion. Weve stood with ukraine. Ukraine has a right to self defence. And weve stood united, not just with our allies here in the us, but across with our nato allies. Thats very, very imp...

And just tell him it's going to get worse. we can see this. there's no question. there's an infantry together. so they resort to this kind of action. it is again, increasingly barbaric. let me get one last comment here, if i could, martha. again, i sat at the situation room table and i worked for people that sat at it. you know, when you hear that phrase "we must do something", what the decision makers need to do is say, okay, got it. specifically what and then you really do have to examine, again, the pluses, the minuses, the lookly outcomes, the potential.

Moment arrives. so you can bet that you know that every psychological profiler out at cia headquarters and others is trying to see how far he would go using all of our sources and methods to try to provide insights into that. but this is the most challenging endeavor of all in the intelligence business. this is trying to get inside the mind of someone else. it's someone who has been isolated because of two years of covid lockdown, who sits on one side of the room from all of his ministers that are mignons and refuse to give him bad news or counter him in any way. so it gets very, very tough. i...

Up with other ideas. there may be options in the world of covert action that i'm not going to get into here that might possibly be i'm employed in this situation. there may be other ideas that can emerge. i'm very conscious of the challenges of those sitting around the situation room table that are confronted by this terrible barbarity and on the other hand by a concern that we would bring our country into what president biden has termed world war iii. >> martha: how seriously do you take putin's escalation of even discussion of the use or putting at a higher alert level of nuclear weapons. do...